Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Csige


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The result was   delete. Ironholds (talk) 07:47, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Paul Csige

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Autobiographical promotional article, largely unreferenced, about a writer/filmmaker of questionable notability. Book appears to be self-published (published by "CsiMec, Inc." a company run by the author). Little significant coverage from independent sources outside local press - Google search turns up a lot of primary sources, social media, and other content written by the author (such as his IMDB listing). No reliable sources found to corroborate award claims or PBS airings (only the local station appears to have run it). MikeWazowski (talk) 16:05, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm uncertain about the film, but the book is certainly of no importance, and I just deleted the repeatedly recreated article on it as G11, promotional.  DGG ( talk ) 16:27, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
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 * Comment article citations need addressing, but references appear to be available for he and his works: Honolulu Star-Advertiser  San Francisco Chronicle   Hawaii Reporter  and few others about his work with the Kamuela Philharmonic Orchestra winning the 'Aloha Accolade Award for Excellence' at the Honolulu International Film Festival.   Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 02:35, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 28 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment The problem stems from this being autobiographical, COI and OR. If you remove the unreferenced parts,  a very small stub would be left. That being said, that which would remain does indicate documented accomplishments. The questions are, then, are those accomplishments notable enough, and is the hypothetical stub itself adequate to seed an article by a disinterested editor? The answers I would give are, Maybe and Doubtful. I know, this is not bold, but I am loath to recommend deletion if there is a chance useful information can be preserved. Plus I have never been involved in an article deletion process before and am interested in understanding the criteria better. I cleaned up three references as a good-will gesture to the author since he seem new at this, none of the content was at all malicious, and some of it was known to be truthful. My message left on the article talk page, warning that my efforts would only give some time for corrections to be made, has not been answered. Alawa (talk) 14:02, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete with respect to WP:AUTHOR,  the 2 books are in zero worldCat libraries; I conclude therefore that the reviews in local newspapers were not reliable sources, as is frequently the case--they tend to be indiscriminate with respect to local authors. I see no real evidence the films were of substantial importance.   DGG ( talk ) 21:20, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment The references supplied by Schmidt do not help. They go to blog entries on local media, not edited by staff, and are obviously redundant and from the same source. The SF Chronicle ref mentions the name briefly but does not have independent information. The film festival award is mentioned by the orchestra website [], and this seems like an acceptable source. The production is not included in the archives of the film festival, as far as I could find. Schmidt's link does not go to the film festival site, but the festival does exist[] and the 2009 program guide is reproduced there--no mention of this film, which was not chosen for screening during the festival. The program guide has no mention of the award, unless I missed it. The DVD only is  mentioned on Herb Kane's website [], Kane being the artist whose imagery constitutes the visual aspect of the film. It is highly doubtful that PBS would have put this production on the national schedule (which I think is what most people think is meant by being broadcast by PBS) or even distributed it beyond the local market as a free offer (which they do for occasional productions that are then aired by local stations at their own discretion, generally without publicity--essentially filler), so if it was on television it was probably only on the public television  station in Hawaii, not PBS. In any case I find no published source for it on PBS, and if it was on local public TV I have not found that source either, which is not to say it did not happen but it is OR.  I would say, based on the sources, that the notability of neither the film nor its original score is adequately established. I'm trying to find a way to rescue this but it is not easy. Alawa (talk) 16:48, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete no evidence of notability. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:05, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
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