Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Hanley (Peyton Place)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Wizardman 21:47, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Paul Hanley (Peyton Place)

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Minor character played by an insignificant actor (who doesn't even have a Wikipedia article) in only 26 out of 514 episodes of the television series Peyton Place. LargoLarry (talk) 18:03, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - Complete lack of sourcing (independent or otherwise). Fails WP:OR, other deficiencies (WP:N, WP:RS) notwithstanding. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 18:37, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  23:04, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong keep Article meets all wikipedia guidelines. Sections are well referenced, the rest can be edited via WP:CLEANUP. Ikip (talk) 23:22, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete I think Ikip's "strong keep" was WP:POINTy. This character clearly doesn't meet any notability guidelines, as there are no sources to be found. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 00:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete He has only been mentioned trivially and most of the characterisation is original research. Nothing's been said directly about him that would meet WP:N.  Them  From  Space  03:53, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge into a list of minor Peyton place characters along with other nominated pages since it's clearly not lacking the sources as claimed. - Mgm|(talk) 10:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge I would say that having the entry in the encyclopedia of television would be sufficient notability. However, I am not opposed to merging smaller ones into a larger article on characters from the show. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 18:59, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand article as apart of American television history that has moved from in-universe to real-world coverage in reliable sources. And note, sources only need to be non-trivial when the mere existence of these sources is used to establish notability. That's not the case here. The claim to a significant character in a notable series is a claim to notability and is easily verified.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 23:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep I am sure there have been essays and dialogues on Peyton Place which will have some commentary on the character. A small list might work for a merge. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:37, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. No significant coverage in reliable sources. A source mentioning the character in passing does not show notability. There needs to be a stronger argument why notability is conferred from the series. At present these articles are merely acting as extensions to give further plot summary. Quantpole (talk) 08:13, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, concur with the above that we really need to see in-depth coverage of this character in a reliable source, not just an offhand mention, in order to establish notability. Wouldn't object to a marge to a list of other minor characters in this programme, though.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 12:21, 14 May 2009 (UTC).
 * Keep and improve further, as article is verifiable, and it seems reasonable to suspect that additional sources would exist as this character had multiple appearances in a notable program; however, no reason why at worst not to merge and redirect with edit history intact to Peyton_Place_(TV_series) per WP:PRESERVE and User:T-rex/essays/the more redirects the better. Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 15:51, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep As A Nobody said, its verifiable. I see nothing wrong with listing characters from any series.  The wikipedia has no limits on server space.  And if you don't like an article, you won't be likely to ever find it to begin with.  Unless a policy(not suggested guideline done by a small number of people which changes constantly) is created to handle character pages specifically, then its all left to consensus.  If most people around at the time to vote, believe a character is a notable part of a series, then can keep their page.  Sometimes character pages are saved, and sometimes not.   D r e a m Focus  17:21, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge Apparently a medium-important character in a major show. That;s over the bar for having an article, in my view. if one thinks it under the bar, then the solution is to merge. In either case the entire information should be keep. There is a reason for not doing full articles on every character: doing them shows poor judgment about keeping a sense of proportion about what's important. There is an exactly similar reason for having full articles on major characters in major shows: otherwise it shows equally poor judgment about what is important. And there is an even more important reason for not having no treatment at all, or a mere name in a list, for any named character in major fiction: not having reasonably full information shows a lack of commitment to being a comprehensive modern encyclopedia.  Medium-important characters come in the middle. and could go either in a combination or separate article. But if we are to remain an encyclopedia, not deleted. And wherever kept, I would add more out-of-fictional-universe detail, in particular a list of exactly what episodes he appeared in. Wikipedia coverage should not be only plot, and there should be spcae for the production details also. . DGG (talk) 18:17, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.