Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul J. Gruen


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The result was   delete. He doesn't seem to have enough notability. I'm going to redirect to Pay Day (board game) after deletion as that's the best known game he created Fences  &amp;  Windows  21:48, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Paul J. Gruen

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I can't find significant coverage for this board game inventor. Joe Chill (talk) 00:15, 20 November 2009 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:27, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - My search reveals that this person did exist per, . - Marcusmax  ( speak ) 00:30, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course he did exist. It's about notability. Do you think that everyone that exists or did exist should have an article? Those sources are trivial mentions. Joe Chill (talk) 00:33, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Let me re-phrase, he is notable in my opinion for creating these games but the article just needs a re-write. Plus another ref, . I doubt this will ever be anything more than a stub but is seems notable to me. - Marcusmax  ( speak ) 00:45, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That ref is the same as number two. Joe Chill (talk) 00:46, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll go on a search for more refs, and get back to this. I don't like deleting articles that can be stubbed nicely. - Marcusmax  ( speak ) 00:54, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Gonna have to delete here. Unless we can findn sources of notability, there's nothing here but a list of games he has credit on. -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 00:50, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Neutral - I've go to hand it to you Joe Chill, I definitly jumped the gun on this the sources are not adequate to justify an article. WP:N is not met by the sources I have already provided so for the time being I retract to neutral. - Marcusmax  ( speak ) 01:21, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep assuming the facts can be verified, he did not invent major board games, but is barely notable. Bearian (talk) 22:26, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 16:45, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per failing WP:RS, WP:N, and WP:BIO. Only 3 Google hits = notability is not satisfied ArcAngel (talk) 07:12, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
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