Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Joseph Rovelli


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The result was delete. Consensus is that the article does not meet the notability guidelines. Davewild (talk) 07:20, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Paul Joseph Rovelli

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Non-notable person. I've read through (and copyedited) the article and new edits to it several times and checked the sources and googled his name and book titles -- and I'm just not seeing significant coverage in independent reliable sources. If additional sources or additional proof of notability is not brought forth then it looks like an obvious delete to me. (See the article's talk page, there's been some discussion there.)

The article as it is a major fluff piece right now because, I believe, it's being edited by people with a conflict of interest (yet undeclared).

Rovelli's books are self-published through CreateSpace and the like; and the articles in obscure magazines don't seem to add to notability either. Ordo Templi Orientis and A∴A∴ are notable organizations but Rovelli's involvement with them is only described in primary sources. Notability is not inherited, so his claims of being related to notable topics don't matter. His "Gnostic Church of L.V.X." was founded in 2013, and I don't see how the claim that it is "the first fully-owned and operated Gnostic Church on the continents of the Americas" makes it noteworthy in any way. — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 08:28, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

This brief mention in Arguing with Angels (published by SUNY Press) is possibly the only piece of coverage in sources that are both independent and reliable. — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 08:44, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom - unnotable author —Мандичка YO 😜 09:09, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:GNG and WP:NAUTHOR. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:45, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - he's quite prolific - see his church's webpage - but nobody else seems to have contributed to, or for all we can tell read, his website or other materials. Under membership on his site, he has two pages, but one is a deadlink, and there is just one other "member." Smallbones( smalltalk ) 11:33, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete. I can't find anything out there that would establish notability for Rovelli. The SUNY mention seemed promising, but that's pretty much the only thing out there that's usable. This is a pretty common issue with anything that even remotely smacks of WP:FRINGE: someone can be known in their field, yet never receive coverage in places that Wikipedia would consider usable as a WP:RS. Most of what I found were forum posts, blog entries, and the like- nothing that would show that he passes WP:GNG. I tried looking for sources with the name "Zephyros93" (the handle mentioned in the SUNY book), but couldn't find anything with that either. Other than the one mention in the SUNY book (which isn't enough by itself to show notability) there's nothing out there that's usable. This is required for notability purposes. It's unfortunate that this tends to be the case with fringe topics, but Wikipedia is not here to make up the difference. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  06:16, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:GNG Jytdog (talk) 18:25, 7 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep: this article is important to Those who revere Aliestar Crowley and the A.A. Many like or hate Mr. Rovelli, but in the context of Thelema he is Snhu author of note. You have plenty of occult pages with far less notable authors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hermes101 (talk • contribs) — Hermes101 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * above vote is by the article creator an editor who has added a lot of content recently, who has not responded to my request to discuss SPA/COI issues here nor to efforts by others to discuss them. Jytdog (talk) 21:07, 8 June 2015 (UTC) (corrected Jytdog (talk) 07:43, 9 June 2015 (UTC))
 * Actually the article was initially created by User:Angaelicus (another SPA, inactive since 9 May). — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 07:18, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 07:43, 9 June 2015 (UTC)


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