Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Kastel


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Declining to salt since neither title has a history of previous deletions. RL0919 (talk) 12:56, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Paul Kastel

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GNG fail. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 10:38, 1 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete and salt both the article and the redirect. This article was originally created under the name of the gallery so I have added additional search links for that name above but it didn't help as much as I hoped. I am seeing a fair number of passing mentions in the search hits but nothing to indicate that either Kastel himself or the gallery are notable. Also, the article is an orphan apart from its one redirect. --DanielRigal (talk) 14:00, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Added "and salt both the article and the redirect" in response to the clear bad faith campaign of intimidation with which some are trying to defend this article. It seems likely that such people would persist in such efforts if not prevented from doing so. --DanielRigal (talk) 14:56, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Those socks are now blocked, thanks. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:40, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. DanielRigal (talk) 14:03, 1 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - One of tens of thousands of gallerists. There is nothing to indicate that this one is notable. I can find minor mentions and a press release, but no significant coverage. GNG fail. Netherzone (talk) 14:06, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

*Keep This was one of the most notable galleries in town. Admittedly, it would not be your kind of art work but that qualifies as a form of COI from my perspective. There must be a thousand articles and reviews on the shows he organized. You can't be deletionist and lazy. This is disgraceful. Booboo the dog (talk) 06:05, 2 November 2019 (UTC) blocked sockpuppetThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:30, 2 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Please be careful with your wording. I was initially inclined to read your use of "your" as an improper personal attack on the nominator. Only on a second reading did I realise that you probably meant the impersonal "one's". At least, I very much hope that you did.
 * Even so, there is no COI here. When I was doing searches to see if the subject was notable I found so little that I could not even tell I whether liked the subjects' taste in art or not. I found a lot of passing mentions. It was enough to prove that the gallery existed and that it had staged exhibitions but I found nothing that spoke to notability, in the Wikipedia sense of the term, for either the person or the gallery. I guess I could have looked into whether I actually liked the artists that these passing mentions related to but, as that is totally off-topic here, I didn't bother. Notability is not inherited. If you believe that sufficient coverage does exist then please feel free to add additional references to the article and I will consider changing my !vote. Blank assertion that the sources exist will not cut it when I am finding so little in Google Books, Newspapers and Scholar. Please bear in mind that having exhibited work, even by a very notable artist, is not enough to confer notability in itself. Reviews of specific exhibitions may contain coverage of the gallery or proprietor (which could be helpful in showing notability) but that is not automatically the case. --DanielRigal (talk) 14:56, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

*Keep So I got to wondering why an American and a Montrealer would be this interested in one page I created and another that I am related to about a wonderful old gallery owner... who was instrumental in bringing a show about Fritz Brandtner to the MMFA... and then I thought hey... I have Premium products in certain social media accounts and so I took a screenshot.... meaning I know who you are in the real world. Please try to be a little more objective and drop the heavy POV on art. Yes to women and non-Eurocentric and indigenous artists but BIG NO to rewriting history... :-) JOSBRU (talk) 12:20, 2 November 2019 (UTC) blocked sockpuppetThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:30, 2 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Note: There is a suggestion at Articles for deletion/Tristan Tondino (2nd nomination) that the above recently created account might be a sockpuppet belonging to the original author of this article. I do not know whether that claim is solid but I do note that the above includes an unambiguous threat of outing people's personal identities on top of an unjustifiable personal attack on those assumed identities. I don't know exactly what is going on here but such intimidation is completely unacceptable.
 * Given the evidence of bad faith here I am adding "and salt" to my "delete", !vote. I hope that somebody with the appropriate "premium products" (i.e. admin rights) will be along soon to knock it on the head. Wikipedia does not need this drama. --DanielRigal (talk) 14:56, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Amen.ThatMontrealIP (talk)


 * Delete both a non-notable art dealer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:01, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete both clearly falls short of notability standards. Best, GPL93 (talk) 13:25, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:OUTCOMES and WP:MILL. We've been over this many, many times. Owning an art gallery is like being a producer. Anybody with $3,000 cash burning a hole in their pocket can be one. This person appears to be especially mundane and provincial. Bearian (talk) 01:37, 7 November 2019 (UTC)


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