Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Lorber


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was There doesn't appear to be a groundswell to delete this article and the policy looks like it may have a few kinks to work out. As such this can only be no-consensus but the lack of reliable third party source suggest that this could be relisted as soon as a consensus on this kind of article is established. Spartaz Humbug! 11:38, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Paul Lorber

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Does not assert notability WP:BIO as a local councillor and unsuccessful parliamentary candidate. The article seems to claim notability as a council Leader however the links all seem to be campaign pages rather than independent sources and I have not been able to find any sustained coverage from independent sources that justify a claim of notability. BlinkingBlimey (talk) 15:17, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, common practice on Wikipedia (see WP:OUTCOMES) is that local councillors in major metropolitan cities such as London are likely notable enough for articles, even if councillors in most cities generally aren't. No vote, just $0.02 for the pot. Bearcat (talk) 17:43, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually it states they are only like to be notable if they "(a) represent a historic first, such as the first woman, first person of colour or first LGBT person elected to a council, or (b) have received national or international press coverage" which I don't think is the case here. BlinkingBlimey (talk) 17:59, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * "although precedent has favoured keeping councillors of major, internationally famous metropolitan cities such as Toronto, Chicago, San Francisco or London, as well as..." Bearcat (talk) 18:02, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * In light of this I've started a discussion on WP:OUTCOMES to try and clarify which bodies are notable. I think is intended to apply to city wide bodies. If you take the examples listed (Toronto, Chicago, San Francisco and London) and include councillors in the count you would have 44, 50, 11 and around 1,500 people in each city notable for being elected. If you just included the London Assembly the London would have a more reason 25. Please pop across and voice an opinion! BlinkingBlimey (talk) 11:21, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I would consider that the leader of a London borough council is more notable than a member of the London Assembly. The latter body actually has very few powers. Most decisions that affect the people of London are made by either the central UK government or the borough councils. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:55, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


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