Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Newsome


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was no consensus to delete, but requires sources. Redirecting to Proud Mary would be acceptable, subject to consensus, until secondary sources are available. --Tony Sidaway 18:28, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Paul Newsome

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Notability claimed, but not demonstrated. I was unable to find any evidence of notability searching for additional sources. Toddstreat1 17:20, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - I don't find anything online except social networking sites. Non notable as written. Llajwa 18:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, but redirect to Proud Mary unless sources for solo activity can be found. I've been searching, and I can't find anything to suggest that this musician has garnered notability per WP:MUSIC sufficient for a stand-alone article. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:14, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. He is a member of a notable band (Proud Mary), was a member of another (The Ya Ya's, although perhaps their notability is contestable), and plays on a notable album (Unkle Dysfunktional) by another notable act (The Happy Mondays). The article also describes considerable further activity beyond Proud Mary. That seems more than enough evidence of notability and reason for an article of his own separate to that for Proud Mary. Explicitly qualifies under WP:MUSIC: "Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a musician or ensemble that qualifies above", i.e. for Proud Mary. Bondegezou 13:57, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. It's true that the article describes these things, but in order to establish notability per WP:BIO, "The person must have been the subject of published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject." WP:MUSIC agrees: "Also, to meet Wikipedia:Attribution, the article in question must actually document that the criterion is true. It is not enough to make vague claims in the article or assert a band's importance on a talk page or AfD page -- the article itself must document notability". In order for the article to survive as a stand-alone, it needs secondary sourcing. Currently, the only source for the article is a primary one. I agree that the individual is notable, though as I stated above I believe his notability rests with his band rather than individually. All of the sources that I have been able to find mention him solely in context of Proud Mary. I do not currently see any evidence that his contribution to Uncle Dysfunktional is a significant assertion of notability. According to the liner notes set out at AMG, Newsome is credited rather vaguely with "help" on that album. I have not found any coverage for his support work on tour with other bands or any support of the assertion that he is a gold selling artist (I came up goose eggs on the RIAA search engine for his name individually and for Proud Mary). As far as the The Ya Ya's are concerned, The Ya Ya's may inherit notability from the members who went on from it to form separate projects (although I note the article is unsourced and have tagged it, and I see that it has recently been speedied per CSD:A7), but arguably that isn't a two-way street. Newsome does not seem to be notable for his contribution to The Ya Ya's. Again, secondary coverage could prove me wrong. But I haven't found any, and there isn't any offered in the article. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:37, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


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