Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Penzone (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. An overwhelming landslide of keeps. Participants have made it clear of the reasons for keeping. (non-admin closure) AmericanAir88(talk) 02:23, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Paul Penzone
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Fails WP:NPOL. Being a sherrif is not inherently notable. Virtually all the sources are about the elections. John from Idegon (talk) 04:08, 23 August 2018 (UTC)


 * delete Once you eliminate the routine election coverage, the only things of "note" he did were shut down Arpaio's "tent city" and reverse other of his predecessor's policies. I at least would like to think that avoiding notoriety is not the way to fame— yet. Mangoe (talk) 12:25, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Struck in favor of different outcome, see below. Mangoe (talk) 14:24, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 14:31, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
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 * Keep Um, did you follow WP:BEFORE, or did you just look at the sources in the article? Because there's a ton of ongoing local coverage, and local coverage counts, too. Here's one from today regarding ICE. Here's a recent one on 3D-printed guns. And The Arizona Republic has a ton of coverage. We could improve the article by updating it, rather than deleting it. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:03, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per arguments from this nom and the first one, by and arguments by . I agree that the vast majority of sheriffs are not notable, but this would be a rare exception. Bearian (talk) 21:29, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * KeepPer plenty of coverage. Per WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 15:01, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
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 * Comment From the draft of the article, Penzone is not as notable as he seems. Most of his notability comes from him defeating a very notable sheriff. There's not much coverage in the article actually on him. He did receive lots of press coverage for his campaign win - voting delete would be tough to justify, but I do lean that way - I'd like to see the article sources updated to reflect the fact he's notable for reasons other than not being his predecessor. SportingFlyer  talk  02:04, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep While clearly the notability of this individual derives mainly from defeating Joe Arpaio, he has been receiving continuing coverage sufficient for SIGCOV.Icewhiz (talk) 06:22, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, my thoughts on this article have not changed since my comments on the previous AfD discussion in January, 2017. I still think he is notable for defeating a nationally-known opponent in a local election.--TommyBoy (talk) 11:50, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Selective merge to Joe Arpaio I still do not see anything here that wouldn't fit better in the section on Arpaio's defeat. He finally lost, and his successor went about reversing his various eccentric and publicity-mongering practices. The point indeed seems to be to stop being nationally known and go back to being an ordinary sherriff's office like every other one in the nation. There isn't a specific section in Arpaio's article about this defeat, but this material could be used to help constitute such a section. Mangoe (talk) 14:24, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per Muboshgu. James500 (talk) 16:25, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Good faith nomination, but other editors have now emphasized enough that I believe this needs to be kept. शिव साहिल/Shiv Sahil (talk) 17:28, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment, although I have already indicated my support for keeping this as a stand-alone article, in response to the nominator's new suggestion that this article should be at least partially merged with the Joe Arpaio article, I disagree with that, and think that the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office article would be a more appropriate redirect target if this discussion concludes that it should not be kept as stand-alone article.--TommyBoy (talk) 23:12, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * , you might want to look a bit closer. John from Idegon (talk) 00:08, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, passes WP:SIGCOV.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:15, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, Penzone is a notable figure in Arizona, and while the amount of notable actions are fairly scant, Penzone has only served one year in the role. I agree this is still a AFD nomination in good faith, but the article is strong enough to sustain without merge. All that being said, I do support the idea of revisiting this discussion at another time. JaxisMaximus (talk) 17:49, 28 August 2018 (UTC)


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