Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Ramsay (British philanthropist)


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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  09:02, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Paul Ramsay (British philanthropist)

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Ramsay is a non-notable businessman and philanthropist. There is no credible source to support the claim that he help founded Brocade Communications Systems. UI1990 (talk) 07:43, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
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 * Comment – The modified search below provides sources about the subject. North America1000 09:02, 22 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment - The modified search actually provides sources about dozens of people called Paul Ramsay - some of whom are dead - and is less useful than the previous search! Emeraude (talk) 13:20, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Very Weak Keep The BBC News and Guardian links certainly demonstrate, in terms of notability, that someone named Paul Ramsay gave 1M to Birmingham University. Of course, that doesn't in any way tell us who this person actually is, since most of the other links lead to dead pages.  This needs to be seriously cleaned up, but technically I suppose passes WP:N -Markeer 01:56, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Just because Ramsay has given £1 million to Birmingham University doesn't make him notable. UI1990 (talk) 04:43, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Per WP:GNG, it DOES mean there is (barely) sufficient notability for a Wikipedia article, since there have been multiple (in this case two) secondary sources that have given the topic significant coverage, in this case by writing articles that are solely about the topic. My point above is that this article has, technically, passed Wikipedia's notability guidelines, yes.  I think it's a bad article, and I think it needs a lot of work, but GNG doesn't appear to be a valid argument here.  Cleanup issues should be addressed in the article itself, not on AfD. -Markeer 13:13, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete for now at best, still questionable. SwisterTwister   talk  07:24, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 12:07, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
 * On the Brocade Communication Systems point, this patent seems to link the corporation with Paul Ramsay. It seems entirely possible that offline sources exist to show that the subject was indeed a founder. On the substantive point, I think further investigation might be needed in offline sources to determine if he is truly notable. The two short mentions I can see in RS are barely enough to show that he exists, never mind that he should have a wikipedia page. JMWt (talk) 14:09, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I have provided three sources below from Birmingham Post and Financial Times that verify that Paul Ramsay is a founder of Brocade Communications Systems. Cunard (talk) 08:36, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. I am not seeing the in-depth, significant secondary coverage here. The fact that some is a philanthropist does not automatically confer notability. Neutralitytalk 19:03, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Both the BBC article and The Guardian article provide significant coverage of the subject. There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Paul Ramsay to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 08:18, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 08:22, 6 February 2016 (UTC) Here are more sources about the subject:  The article notes: "The Birmingham-born 49year-old studied computer science at Birmingham. He made his fortune after moving to the US during the high-tech boom of the Eighties. After working for several firm in California's silicon valley, he co-founded the world's biggest data storage company, Brocade Communications, in 1995. Mr Ramsay, who is worth more than pounds 55 million, said he hoped his gift would help the university take in a wider range of applicants, not just those that could afford to pay. ...  Paul Ramsay -a graduate from the university whose stonemason father helped to build it -added that he found Government plans to increase tuition top-up fees 'worrying'."  The article notes: "A former Birmingham University student who made a fortune in the US computer sector will today give his alma mater {GBP}1m - the latest in a series of philanthropic gifts to UK colleges. Paul Ramsay will be searching the red bricks of Birmingham University's Chamberlain Clock Tower for the name of his grandfather, George Harper, a mason who helped give the second city its ultimate academic landmark. Mr Ramsay, who moved to California's Silicon Valley in 1983, is planning a series of gifts to his alma mater in recognition of its role in equipping him for a career as a computer entrepreneur. ...  Mr Ramsay made his fortune selling stock from his company Brocade Communications, set up to make switches for storage area networks."  The article notes: "A University of Birmingham graduate has donated pounds 1 million to help hard-up students cope. Paul Ramsay, originally from Northfield, Birmingham, gave the money to pay for bursaries that will help people from poor backgrounds to attend the university. Part of the cash, which has been earmarked for his former faculty, the School of Computer Science, will go towards funding research projects. ...  Mr Ramsay gained a BSc, MSc and PhD at Birmingham University during the seventies and eighties. He moved to California in 1983 and worked for several computer companies before making his fortune after establishing his own business, Brocade Communications." </li>Cunard (talk) 08:36, 6 February 2016 (UTC)</ul>


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