Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Skoutelas


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. The Bushranger One ping only 05:20, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Paul Skoutelas

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Seems like a competent person, but hardly noteworthy (top 1% or 5%) in his field. Scant material. Out of 3 citations, 2 are local. The third is just a directory listing. No awards from governors or presidents. No publications of his own. Probably a nice person. Just not notable. Student7 (talk) 12:43, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
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 * He was the chief of not one but two major transit agencies. In Orlando he was credited with turning around/modernizing/making relevant their agency.  If that is not noteworthy, cool but there are tons of bio articles on similar transit chiefs that should also be going . . . not to mention the two I added information for that others created that also led the Pittsburgh agency.  MarketDiamond 04:56, 27 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment. Please do initiate Afds on anyone whose credentials are this thin. I realize that there are dozens, even hundreds of bios, where the standards have dropped to nearly zero for an article. Musicians, for example. See WP:BIO. Student7 (talk) 17:31, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep (just for the record) . . . first, as far as notability you kind of have to be somebody in the USA to lead not one but two different major transit agencies for close to a decade each, he was contracted to stay in Pittsburgh for 2 additional years but got a better offer $$$ in the private sector. Not really sure about awards from presidents, not really sure if a Franklin Pierce or a James Buchanan have any more notability then a Skoutelas really.  As far as going into the lions den 1,000 plus times on wikipedia and challenging bios in fields I don't understand I'd be happy to form a group for that, I feel that the status quo weeds out almost all frivolous bios, if we want to raise standards I think we are gonna get into an Orlando Lynx v. New York MTA and a Pittsburgh Port Authority v San Fran BART, contributing mainly to Pittsburgh entries I can tell you there is a regional bias among some editors (deletors).  Happy to see thats not at work here but try telling someone from San Fran or Manhattan that although Pittsburgh transit chiefs aren't notable that makes the MTA and BART chiefs just as un-notable.  Also Allen Biehler (since 2009) and William Millar (since 2006) seemed to be notable to other editors who created those pages on similar standards of notability.  Not trying to justify non notability with other non notability, just pointing out that wikipedia does not normally let someone with thin notability have an article for the last six years, Q.E.D. Skoutelas is notable. MarketDiamond 10:54, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:16, 2 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. Hundreds of potential sources at GNews and GBooks, including this one from the Orlando Sentinel that makes the notability case quite succinctly, opening as follows: "While in Central Florida, Paul Skoutelas may have been one of the highest profile transit bosses in the country. He arrived in 1991, inheriting a transit agency that few people could name and even fewer rode. So he did TV commercials, spoke at chicken dinners and painted his fleet in pinks and teals and other decidedly un-buslike colors. By the time he left in 1997, Lynx was well known in Central Florida, and ridership levels had doubled. Skoutelas was profiled in the Wall Street Journal, and Lynx was named one of the top transit companies in the country." --Arxiloxos (talk) 01:24, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep The article contains multiple independent sources about Paul Skoutelas, and I was easily able to find more.,. Paul Skoutelas definitely meets Wikipedia's individual notability guidelines. NJ Wine (talk) 04:22, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
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