Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Williams (comedian)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep based on additional sources found. RL0919 (talk) 20:01, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Paul Williams (comedian)

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This draft is declined recently by Timtrent. I think the creator should follow the draft process. For me the subject is a non notable musicians that fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO GermanKity (talk) 17:39, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. GermanKity (talk) 17:39, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
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 * Comment: It is someone's right to create in article space. It is how it used to be. Draft:Paul Williams (comedian) exists, so draftification is pointless. So please let us treat this article on its merits. Thank you for the ping. I shall remain neutral Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 18:03, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It is not the exact same wording that was deleted. I wondered if it was a copy and paste move, but I think not. We must treat the new article on its own merits Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 18:22, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, I'm the author of the article; I wasn't aware of the draft. I'd like to know what should I do to keep this from being deleted. HATSAREMACHINES 01:54, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi HATSAREMACHINES, the problem is not you or your page, at first glance it looks fine. The problem is the possible lack of detailed mentions of Paul Williams in reliable sources. Have a quick look at WP:NBIO. There are two ways forward, make arguments using Wikipedia's guidelines or find as much reliable detailed coverage of Paul Williams as you can. Don't try to be too clever and don't burn yourself out on any one thing. Have a look here to see how these things sometimes go. Dushan Jugum (talk) 19:57, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, I'm the author of the other recent draft - we both wrote an article in the same week unbeknownst to the other! (I only found this one through scouring through Twitter today.) This clearly has extra info (as well as some of the same) but I think what we might need to do is reorientate the article(s) towards his comedy work since that is primary? In comedy he has been nominated for a major national award and has a leading role in a mainstream television programme that is on its second series; there will need to be a page at some point as there is increasing demand for info about him due to the international interest in Taskmaster. [I am based in UK and Hats in Brazil even though this is a NZ-based comedian.] It's just how we substantiate that, given that most articles will be entertainment review type sources? Thanks if you can help! CursoryBethany, 22:35, 27 July 2021
 * Delete Thanks for clearing that up CursoryBethany it all looks above board on the face of it. However, Paul Williams does not pass WP:ENT. WP:GNG is a little less clear, it could just be that my searching has been hampered by his common name. But with what I can find and what is on the page I would say he does not meet it. Dushan Jugum (talk) 03:40, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Just adding some refs that may be useful Dushan Jugum (talk) 04:19, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

18:22, 26 July 2021 (UTC) HATSAREMACHINES 10:36, 28 July 2021 (UTC) HATSAREMACHINES 22:27, 29 July 2021 (UTC) CursoryBethany 23:28, 31 July 2021
 * Well, what would you say is the number of sources for it to be considered 'significant coverage'? Because I'd argue that what I put should be enough. It's not like he'll have the same media coverage as a comedian based on the UK or the US. And I found some interviews but I was told that they're not reliable, even though I've seen other articles using interviews. In terms of WP:ENT, he's had multiple significant roles across those platforms, he was even nominated for awards. And Taskmaster may be his first major role on television, but it's an international programme, with multiple versions and a broad fan base. His name is even included on the show's article.
 * WP:3REFS "In order to show that a subject covered in many news reports is notable, three independent references from three different time periods, would in general successfully rebut notability challenges." That is just so far removed from what I think normally happens here. I will remove my vote as that is the best info we have right now, do not be surprised if it comes back when more a knowledgeable editor sets us right. Dushan Jugum (talk) 11:40, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your contribution to the article, Dushan Jugum. CursoryBethany and I will be sure to look further for references in the meantime. We'll be waiting for another editor's opinion.
 * I enjoyed the breadth of the new references in the article! (thanks to the other writers). I have reorganised the text to focus on his main achievements as a comedian, such as his writing role in Taskmaster and its status as an international programme. Does it need anything more to avoid deletion?
 * Comment What do you think GermanKity, do you still want to delete it? Dushan Jugum (talk) 22:36, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Need more comments from other reviewers. GermanKity (talk) 08:02, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 20:03, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep my feeling is he meets WP:ENT now, with performances at Edinburgh and Melbourne and around New Zealand for comedy. On TV with Taskmasker and put out music. I did find some more sources as well with Southland Times, Radio NZ, The Spinoff, NZ OnScreen, two Stuff articles and The New Zealand Herald. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NZFC (talk • contribs) 05:20, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep I am changing my vote to keep after all the references that have been found. I think he passes general notability. Dushan Jugum (talk) 06:17, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes WP:GNG and WP:ENT, with two series of Taskmaster NZ. Paora (talk) 10:03, 8 August 2021 (UTC)


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