Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paulo Pires


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Consensus that the improved article meets the notability guidelines. Davewild (talk) 18:12, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Paulo Pires

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I cannot find any more information regarding Mr. Pires. He doesn't appear to notable other then to have appeared in Portuguese shows reported on IMDB. Phearson (talk) 16:12, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Portugal-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:24, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:24, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:59, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Yup... this actor does not seem at all notable in the United States. But in looking at possible sources, it seems he meets WP:GNG through coverage and meets WP:ENT though numerous significant roles in multiple notable productions. Being notable to Portugal is fine with en.Wikipeda.  I request Portugese Wikipedians come forward with translated sources.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 01:38, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep He was the host of a television show on the SIC Portuguese TV channel, and appeared on several soap operas, the last one winning an award. Comte0 (talk) 22:11, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Kinda Meaningless if nothing is on the article Itsself, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phearson (talk • contribs) 05:48, December 28, 2010
 * Then we sure might hope Portugese-reading Wikipedians can help.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 03:23, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Comment, rather than just hope Portuguese-speaking Wikipedians stumble across this discussion before it's closed, I've specifically requested their attention at the Portuguese-speaking Wikipedians' notice board. Thryduulf (talk) 00:26, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Logan Talk Contributions 02:03, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - I read Portuguese, but there are so many "foreign" articles that Anglocentrism on Wikipedia is consigning to oblivion that I'm afraid I have to pass on this invitation. Wikipedia needs to work out what it wants to do about purging content from non-core contributor communities.  For anyone capable of appreciating the potential merit of a wider selection of articles and contributors, reading through AfDs becomes an exercise in chasing down a conveyor belt. Opbeith (talk) 23:04, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Delete Correct me if I'm wrong, but this sub-stub fails BLPPROD. No cited assertions.  It doesn't give enough context to understatnd why he's important. Hasteur (talk) 15:51, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * After looking at the improvement Schmidt has done I notice the plethora amount of redlinks that splatter are on the page. Most of these look like items that are not likely to have articles created for them.  Article is now largely a info dump of what he's been in. If we strip away that all we're left with is a flowery description of what he's been in.  Still not demonstrating notability for EN wikipedia. I'm plenty sure he's notable in the Portuguese version. I stand by my Delete assertion on this AFD. Hasteur (talk) 02:54, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Plethora? Splatter?  Dump?  Unhelpful hyperbole.  The improvement work is ongoing to address the nominator's concerns.  Its not "done" yet... and more has been done since your comment and more remains to be done... by editors actually willing to work toward the article's improvement.  That certain Portugese films and television series are current redlinks, is fine with en.Wikipedia, as redlinks are intended to encourage new content.. and though they can always be removed if no one wishes to create aricles of these notable Portugese films and programs, a film or program with a reseaonable presumption of notability, even if only in Portugal, is just fine with en.Wikipedia in others seeing that this individual's prolific work for some 20 years easily meets WP:ENT... even if no one were to make any effort to build these articles in helping to curb the unfortunate systemic bias inherent in en.Wikiedia.  JJust the tip of the iceberg is found in this individual being in 251 episodes of the notable Deixa-me Amar (redlink or no), in 237 episodes of the notable Olhos nos Olhos (redlink or no), and 348 episodes of Meu Amor (Oops. We have an article for this one!)   His winning a Portugese Golden Globe is simply icing on the cake.  Finding sources for a Portugese notable might take some effort, but the need for a little work is no reason to delete an article that can be improved with regular editing.  Stick with your delete if you wish, but I'm sure a closer will notice the ongoing improvements... and explain in his close that per both guideline AND policy, notability in Portugal is fine for en.Wikipedia.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 05:04, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Read WP:NOTDIR. From WP:REDLINK In general, a red link should be allowed to remain in an article if it links to a term that could plausibly sustain an article, but for which there exists no candidate article, or article section, under any name. From what I can tell, most of the shows the actor appeared in are Telenovelas which means they're only on for about a year maximum (except in the case where it gets expanded to soap opera qualities). The Variety reference is 2 passing mentions and not substantial to the article. Please read References and see that he still is lacking substantial sources in the Engligh Project space.  His notability is beyond question in the Portugese, Spanish, and possibly German projects (as his wife is from Austria if I read the translation page correctly).  In response to your claim of systemic bias in EN wikipedia I would point you at Systemic_bias.  This CSD has been relisted twice and been on the Portugal, Actors, and People related discussion lists (in some cases since the 26th of December).  How much longer should we hold for a group of qualified users to step forward and agree that this article's Foreign Language references do qualify the subject for notability on EN wikipedia. I note that the spanish and portugese versions of the article appear to contain just the descriptive highlights portion of the article and not the info dump that could easily be handled by an external link to the actor's IMDB profile page. Hasteur (talk) 15:09, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I would also invite you to strike your assumption of bad faith on my part. I will admit that I chose some of those words to put a specific view on the page. Hasteur (talk) 15:09, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  -- -- Cirt (talk) 16:17, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - I've translated the article from Portuguese Wikipedia where he's identified as a Portuguese Golden Globe winner but I'm certainly not going to be bothered to waste time sourcing if this is going to be trashed anyway. Opbeith (talk) 20:16, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep as the notable Portugese Golden Globe Award is compelling of notability. Still needs more sources though, if Opbeith might assist.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 09:54, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note Since the last comments of January 10, expansion and sourcing have begun... and continues. And while yes, English speakers/readers like myself are handicapped by most sources being in Portugese, progress IS being made.  The 2-sentence stub that was first nominated is looking far better, even though incomplete. I hope the nominator will see that his concerns are being addressed.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:07, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep: This Golden Globe: TEATRO: Personalidade do Ano: Paulo Pires. seems to indicate an unambiguos keep. (Msrasnw (talk) 16:20, 17 January 2011 (UTC))
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.