Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Payal Dev


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Spartaz Humbug! 20:09, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Payal Dev

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Article fails WP:NSINGER so moved to draftspace as per WP:DRAFTIFY as an alternative to deletion after unreviewing as there seemed to have been an error and it should not have been reviewed as is. Article moved back without improvement or tagged as such by the original reviewer saying "take it to afd". they claim there are other sources out there but I could find nothing much to back up notabilty. The sources in the article are "Times of India" a passing mention, "First post" a passing mention, "Business standard" a very short WP:INTERVIEW picked up from a newsfeed with no analysis or thoughts from the unnamed interviwer (if there actually was one and not just rehashing what the subject sent in). I found nothing in a WP:BEFORE search that shows the subject meet WP:GNG as she WP:NSINGER criteria is not suggested to having been met in the article. I would have preferred to allow this to be incubated in draftspace but this has been refused. Dom from Paris (talk) 13:43, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Dom from Paris (talk) 13:45, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Dom from Paris (talk) 13:45, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Dom from Paris (talk) 13:45, 19 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment- I don't understand from where the nominator is getting the idea that draftifying a non-notable singer is a good practice. If somebody is failing on WP:Notability (music) then they are a non-notable musician which is technically a junk per WP:DRAFTIFY. See criteria 1a. It should be AfDed or Speedied. We don't have to wait for them to get notable. If we do then we will have more drafts than articles because every hour there are at least two articles created about bands or other musicians. Reason for draftifying by the nominator was "The sources are way too weak to show she meets WP:NSINGER". That looked like backdoor mechanism to delete an article, avoiding contest or discussion because the nominator thinks that the topic is not at all plausibly notable. So I moved the article back and requested AfD with edit summary "Take it to AfD. Draftification is not a backdoor route to deletion. See WP:DRAFTIFY.". It was not just "take it to afd" as mentioned above by the nominator. More of the related discussion took place on my talkpage. I don't think it is relevant now as this is a deletion discussion. However, I am able to find significant coverage in multiple reliable sources in English as well as in Indian languages, such as this from Zee News and this from Dainik Bhaskar (non-english). I will present other sources later today as they need translation and I am in hurry now. Hitro talk 16:46, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Draftify clearly states one of the reasons for moving it is "2a. The page is obviously unready for mainspace. It does not meet WP:STUB; or it would have very little chance of survival at AfD; or it meets any speedy deletion criterion." I have bolded it to make it clearer why I moved it to draft. Hope this helps explain why I think it would have been better to have it incubated. This was not a back door to deletion but an alternative to deletion. Dom from Paris (talk) 20:23, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The subject is the winner of Mirchi Music Awards and her song from Bajirao Mastani (soundtrack) has been placed in rotation on a major radio station of India, Radio Mirchi and others. Ultimately, winning Mirchi Music Award for Upcoming Female Vocalist of The Year and the album went on to win Mirchi Music Award for Album of The Year. That is something for WP:NSINGER. It is not clear and obvious that this can be taken as little chance of survival at AfD Hitro talk 10:03, 20 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep- Meeting WP:NSINGER 9, 10, 11, 12 as mentioned above and can be verified at . Multiple coverage in reliable sources covering the subject can be found at (includes two links that I mentioned above) from Zee News,  and  from Dainik Bhaskar,  by United News of India,  by Editorial in RandM. There some other coverage from different sources that can be helpful in verification  , review of her music  on Rediff,  on Koimoi,  on NDTV. Apart form that, an article by Indo-Asian News Service was published on major national dailies of India including The Statesman (India) , Business Standard . Interviews published on Deccan Chronicle and The Asian Age ,  and , also on Daily News and Analysis.
 * This looks like meeting WP:GNG and WP:NSINGER. At least it's not among those with little chance of survival at AfD;, it does merit a discussion. Hitro talk 10:03, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * As it was (and still is) the article would have stood little chance of surviving AFD hence the move to draftspace to allow time to improve it. Such a shame that rather than adding these sources or tagging for improvement you moved it back to mainspace with the comment Take it to AfD. Draftification is not a backdoor route to deletion. what a waste of everyone's time. I will have a look at the sources when I get a moment. --Dom from Paris (talk) 16:03, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep- agreed with u|User:HitroMilanese -Hamim000000 (talk) 10:32, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Sailor 22:35, 26 November 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per Dom from Paris. I'm so sick of these people who push things into article space before they are ready, then say "take it to AfD" and waste everyone's time rather than just doing the work in draft. There's no mention of awards in the article and no claim of notability. Deb (talk) 11:49, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 15:59, 30 November 2018 (UTC)


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