Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Payam Zamani


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The result was delete. Tone 14:32, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Payam Zamani

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This is about the article Payam Zamani. I saw that he had been hastily added to an article mentioning prominent Iranian-Americans, in the same sentence as the CEO of YouTube and Exec Chairman of Twitter. I clicked to read about this individual.

The references are all passing mentions, paid promotions/announcements about his company, and sites with personal connections to the subject (e.g. things written by himself). The more you dig, the more you see it's a fairly simple history of paid promotion (e.g. paid postings about his businesses e.g. exactly of the type covered in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(organizations_and_companies)#Examples_of_dependent_coverage, or from his own company/sources related to him e.g. not https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(organizations_and_companies)#Primary_criteria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(people) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability#Self-promotion_and_publicity It seems like a fairly sophisticated self-promoter. e.g. pass the first page of google results (which a lot of it is also paid or self-created content) or use an alternate search engine (e.g. DuckDuckGo or Yahoo) and it looks even worse. He does not meet any of these criteria: notability (WP:N), reliable sources (WP:RS), and what Wikipedia is not (WP:NOT)

This page was created by an individual "JasonSpark". Seems related to the company Spark Public Relations (check the edit history). All content of the page was added by three users whose only contributions seems to have been to this page. See users: User:LeighMartinez, User:Drevia, User:CatrinaRae57

As the Wikimedia resolution goes "Many people create articles that are overly promotional in tone: about themselves, people they admire, or those they are paid to represent. These are not neutral, and have no place in our projects" I do not have a wikipedia account (and probably won't make one, I'm a student procrastinating studying for a final) so I can not create the AFD myself. -76.109.102.245 (talk) 02:21, 17 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment Completing nomination on behalf of IP editor--above text is copied from WT:AFD. I have not yet formed an opinion of my own at this time. --Finngall talk  03:06, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete (if my voice counts as part of the consensus!) - I originally wrote the above (which Finngall kindly posted). The "sources" are all exactly of the kind covered in the notability guidelines linked above (e.g. paid posts) and looking at the only three article contributors I listed above confirms -76.109.102.245 (talk) 21:47, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
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All content of the page has been literally from his paid people who work for his company of <150 people.
 * Disagree I am one of the editors of Payam Zamani's page. I have edited other articles besides the Payam Zamani article. I initially edited this page after seeing a banner announcing that the article was incomplete. The information is well sourced and includes articles from Bloomberg, ZDNet, KTVU, Business Insider and Forbes. Payam Zamani is a well-known Baha'i. In the past, there have been attempts by the Iranian government to silence his online presence, because of his public discussions on the treatment of minorities in Iran.LeighMartinez (talk) 21:22, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I have to respond to this because I was absolutely gobstruck by the dishonesty being exhibited here. Hate to pick nits, but your only other edit was an advertisement for a book by a very good friend of the guy engaged on his social media, which was deleted. You also haven't explained your relation to the other accounts. Re: these articles that you reference: please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's notability guidelines which I linked above (especially under primary sources and dependent coverage). These articles fall pretty specifically under Wikipedia's guidelines on this sort of stuff -76.109.102.245 (talk) 04:11, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I noticed your very recent edits turning down the purple prose you had yourself written.
 * You also comment "In the past, there have been attempts by the Iranian government to silence his online presence, because of his public discussions on the treatment of minorities in Iran" - You seem to know a lot about this guy personally, because a Google/Yahoo/Bing/DuckDuckGo search for "Payam Zamani Iran Criticism" or "Iran retaliation" turns up absolutely nothing. The article you wrote doesn't mention anything either. Even among the Baha'i community, where everyone has a background of being persecuted in Iran, I'm not seeing anything that distinguishes him from other Baha'i business owners with stories of persecution. I'm not seeing any credible evidence either that a foreign government is going after this guy particularly. This guy has zero prominence as a critic of Iran on an academic/national/international level. -76.109.102.245 (talk) 04:11, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Admins: For any admins reading the discussion: https://imgur.com/a/GZvCHeF According to the article, "One Planet" is his company. Take a look at the username above.
 * This is the other user, User Catrina Rae I mentioned above. I looked up the username and found her name here - look at username and listen to name at end of the report. Compare to public linkedin profile I linked before.
 * Here's an interesting one for user Drevia. Background search Linkedin
 * Admins, please note zero objections/interest on this for practically a whole week, until it seems his marketing employee noticed today during the workday. Dollars to donuts we see professional-PR-firm-like activity and/or a sudden appearance of previously unseen people engaged tomorrow on this page -76.109.102.245 (talk) 04:11, 24 July 2020 (UTC)


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