Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paysage D'Hiver


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Tim Song (talk) 01:28, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Paysage D'Hiver
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This was prodded with this comment: "No evidence of passing WP:MUSIC. Name is a common phrase in French, hence Google is unavailing." However, a Google search does turn up mentions of the band, and the musician behind the group is part of Darkspace (band) who have an entry on Wikipedia, so there seems to be some room for discussion. This is a neutral entry.  SilkTork  *YES! 16:20, 2 November 2009 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 22:03, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete- I can only see passing mentions to this band in any given articles, the French painting seems to get a lot more press than the band. They haven't charted any releases or any of the other criteria which is required for notability. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 17:26, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as PRODer. Ray  Talk 17:42, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep- The fact that this is an Underground band that isnt part of any big label and prefers to call his albums Demos instead of Albums shouldnt be a reason to delete the article. Paysage D'Hiver is a well respected and popular band, especially in ambient black metal circles as Paysage D'Hiver create some of the best ambient black metal that there is. Also, the fact that the internet isnt full of interviews with wintherr in no way reduces the bands notability. The lack of interviews is a common trait with many black metal bands, but in this case i can find more interviews with Paysage D'Hiver than for Darkspace, which is a more "popular" band. As far as i can see, a Google search gives more results for the band than anything else so i agree with what EquilibriumAblaze posted on the talk page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Paysage_D%27Hiver  Pyro Stick  Haud Yer Wheesht! 11:13, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  — J04n(talk page) 23:05, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep This would be an example of an established band who will likely never meet the WP:BAND criteria as their genre eludes it. German-language ambient black metal just doesn't chart on Billboard.com or any other mainstream chart. Their discography is also available at Discogs.com . If file sharing were a gauge of notability then it would be a more certain keep.  delirious  &amp;  lost  ☯ TALK  02:01, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: Often coming across this sort of thing in artists I listen to, I still think that it is appropriate to require some sort of notability evidence. If he's not on a label, we need reviews from appropriate publications or websites (well established ones), tours or collabs with other notable artists, etc.  (I don't think E-Metallicum is sufficient.)  If this stuff can't be dredged up, well... he's intentionally keeping himself obscure :P  What a lovely label website though.  - BalthCat (talk) 04:04, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. This band is right on the edge of being notable. There are useful reviews and comments on the internet, but they are from blogs (,, , etc). However, I found this by Piero Scaruffi - "The three lengthy pieces of Paysage D'Hiver (2000), devastated by blastbeats and hysterical guitars, basically rediscovered black metal." That is a notable comment by a reliable source.  SilkTork  *YES! 01:39, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.