Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pea shake


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was No consensus for deletion, nor for merger, but the move to Pea-shake house seems ok to implement (i.e. not contraindicated by comments after its suggestion). I'll make the move momentarily. I'll also add a to encourage continued discussion on this front. I will also remove the tag as the outcome of this AFD indicates that the topic is sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia in some form. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 00:02, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Pea shake

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No assertion of notability, no verifiable information or sources. Delete TheRingess (talk) 22:59, 4 December 2007 (UTC) 
 * Merge with numbers game. "Pea shake" itself seems to be an older term generically referring to a dice throw, but "pea shake houses" are specific to Indianapolis, Indiana and environs. Other than some local news stories, we have Jesse Sheidlower as a taxonomic source, but this isn't really diferent enough from any other type of illegal gambling to be notable. --Dhartung | Talk 05:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 03:50, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge although I don't know what with, numbers game seems to be related, but a different thing. It doesn't seem notable enough to warrant a page of its own, but it does seem notable enough to warrant some mention somewhere on Wikipedia. Anarchia (talk) 05:02, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep needs better referencing, but seems notable to me. -Drdisque (talk) 08:56, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 16:44, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep. I added a ref, and an external link that has some photos of the equipment. It seems specific to Indianapolis, but to have had ramifications in state politics, and to be a well-known phenomenon there for some time. I couldn't find many RS online, possibly because one of the best sources, the Indianapolis Star, doesn't keep its articles long enough. Anyone with access to paper editions may well find quite a bit useful there. There was significant enough discussion in blogs and so forth to imply that it has been the subject of considerable debate, though. Rigadoun (talk) 18:10, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Another possibility is to move to Pea-shake house, which seems to be the center of the debate. The game itself is fairly similar to numbers games in general (I think), but the debate in Indianapolis seems to center on the establishments (which are sometimes associated with other crimes). Rigadoun (talk) 18:17, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I would concur with a move to pea-shake house. The game, however, seems indistinguishable from other numbers games. --Dhartung | Talk 08:27, 22 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.