Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pedro José de Zavala, 8th Marquis of Valleumbroso


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The result was   keep. Spartaz Humbug! 17:06, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Pedro José de Zavala, 8th Marquis of Valleumbroso

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Thoroughly nonnotable marquis -No.Altenmann >t 05:32, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
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 * Comment. At the time this person held his title, would a marquis have automatically sat in Spain's Parliament, in the way that British peers did until recently? If so, he would be automatically notable as a member of a national parliament. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 02:33, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
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 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, j⚛e deckertalk 06:59, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

 
 * Weak keep Mainly because it is new and hasn't had a chance to grow. However, the marquis-dom was not listed on the page for Spanish nobility, although there is a full page for this person in the @sp wikipedia. I added it now to the list on the Spanish nobility page. The Spanish language page could be placed in the queue for articles for translation. There appears to be a full biography there, but it has no references! LaMona (talk) 17:57, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Weak keep As noted by User:LaMona, the Spanish version of the article is far fuller, though almost without sources (it does list a couple of books, but without ISBNs or any attempt at inline referencing, making it impossible to see what information in the article they would support). If I am reading the article correctly, the subject played a minor but quite likely notable part on the Royalist side in the Peruvian War of Independence and, so far as I can judge, he later rose far enough within the Spanish army to meet WP:SOLDIER. PWilkinson (talk) 16:53, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 01:12, 13 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. Forget notability, this article has zero sources, causing it to fail WP:V and not only WP:N.  Sandstein   17:49, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. Invoke WP:IAR if you have to, but historical items like this are what an encyclopedia should be.  We seem to have room for pokemon and third-string football players and porn stars.  That's all crap but it gets included because it's happening today so the internet is covering it, generating "references" to satisfy WP:N, etc.  Stuff that happened in the 1800's has an inherent bias against finding coverage on the inetnet, but that doesn't mean it's not as important as pokemon.  I did find http://www.cusco-peru.org/cultural-cusco-mansions-cusco-marquis-valleumbroso-mansions.shtml, which at least establishes that the 4th Marquis had a similar name, so that's at least a step in the right direction for WP:V, and http://www.geni.com/people/Juan-de-Zavala-y-de-la-Puente-I-marqu%C3%A9s-de-Sierre-Bullones/6000000016066838668 verifies one of his children.  -- RoySmith (talk) 02:59, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep, Spanish Wikipedia article establishes his notability. Also, this man was the 7th Marquis; his son the Prime Minister was the 8th Marquis. Even though it's been the title of the article for some time, I'd like to nominate the previous title for deletion, but I think that discussion should go at WP:RFD. &mdash;innotata 03:29, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - he was a nobleman when such things mattered; once notable, always so. Bearian (talk) 14:16, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
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