Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pedro Miguell


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. On the strength of the arguments there is a narrow consensus to delete. If someone wants a copy mailing to them, let me know. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:12, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Pedro Miguell

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Advertorially toned WP:BLP of a musician, which makes no strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC and is very poorly sourced -- in fact, the article is copied and pasted directly from his own self-published website about himself. While the content there is CC-licensed, preventing this from being speediable as a WP:COPYVIO, the notability and the reliable sourcing needed to make him eligible to have it copied and pasted into Wikipedia has not been shown. Delete. Bearcat (talk) 20:57, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:01, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Delete - translating two of the refs from Swedish still revealed no evidence of n otability. The University of Gothenburg refs show that he exists and plays music, probably plays music well. But nothing that I can see conveys notability as required by Wikipedia.  Velella  Velella Talk 22:25, 24 July 2016 (UTC) Not Delete - Being a Swede and specially Gothenburg I know Pedro Miguell is a quite big name in Gothenburg Sweden since he won the contemporary music contest in Växjö in 2013 and become the year after principal conductor of Göteborg Moderna Orkester which is very uncommon to people with only 24 years old. I recommend the article being submitted to review, specially the references because mainly are found in local newspapers like GP. However I agree with BearCat and Richard3120 that it looks a bit promotional article by this company Nowartis. Mozigon (talk) 00:45, 25 July 2016 (UTC) — Mozigon (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment: I suspect it's not a copyvio because there's a good chance the same person wrote both articles – the Wikipedia article was created by the editor Antonypdesmond... Antony Desmond is the co-founder of the Nowartis management agency, who manage Miguell. Richard3120 (talk) 22:27, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable musician.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:32, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Portugal-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 02:46, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Keep - Pedro Miguell is a well known Portuguese young composers and conductors inside the classical music world. I was reading the article and it is very incompatible but he achieved notability during his bachelor's degree time. He won a competition with his first opera. Like mozigon, I would keep this article but submit it to deep revision. Sarahoboenix (talk) 06:58, 25 July 2016 (UTC) — Sarahoboenix (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Delete: Not a notable musician.— Constanstin 07:06, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep : Notable enough in Sweden inside the art field. Trumann12 (talk) 07:48, 25 July 2016 (UTC) — Trumann12 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Do not Delete - Pedro Miguell is a well known young composer in Portugal connected to multiple movements in Porto. (Proart ensemble, maus hábitos, fora de horas). Apart from that, he has published music works in Sweden. Notability was reached for sure on WP:NMUSIC topic 1). 2.) 9.) and 11.)Leichnester (talk) 09:14, 25 July 2016 (UTC) — Leichnester (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * , if you are "sure" that he passes criteria 1 and 2 in WP:NMUSIC then you can provide those sources? Perhaps an option would be to userfy this article while one of the editors who is arguing for 'keep' works on improving it? Richard3120 (talk) 15:04, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Notability, for Wikipedia's purposes, is not demonstrated by asserting that he's passed one or more NMUSIC criteria — it's demonstrated by reliably sourcing that he's gotten media coverage for accomplishing one or more NMUSIC criteria. It doesn't matter what notability criterion you claim a person meets — if he met it without getting media coverage about his meeting of it, then he still doesn't get an article on here until media coverage can be shown. Bearcat (talk) 15:03, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Keep for a limited time to revisionOkey I found this. He has an album in Itunes, so Swedish music charts? https://itunes.apple.com/en/album/timings-ep/id1138059271?app=music&ign-mpt=uo%3D4 WP:NMUSIC second topic is checked? I think we should keep this article for 60 days until it is well sourced and edited, otherwise delete it.Trumann12 (talk) 22:31, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Nope, he's never charted on Sverigetopplistan, which isn't surprising as he's not a pop/rock/dance artist. Richard3120 (talk) 22:49, 26 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment: I'm a bit concerned here about possible socks and COI in this debate. The only two edits Sarahoboenix has made on Wikipedia so far are writing the "keep" statement above. The userpage for Sarahoboenix was created by Trumann12. And, were you aware that had written to you (now deleted) on the talk page attached to this deletion discussion? Richard3120 (talk) 23:09, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: I am concerned with these Itunes release "due to been released at some few hours ago", however it is difficult to have music on Itunes Store. , I am trying to find sources to support my claims but in Sweden it is not so easy since most of the newspapers are local and there records most exist only printed. I will check tomorrow the public library to see if I find sources for this article, however in negative case I myself change my vote to delete.   I agree with you,  and  seem very suspicious. Leichnester (talk) 23:28, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not restricted to online web sources — while we like to provide a convenience URL to an online copy of the source if one is available, print-only content is acceptable sourcing as long as (a) that content has been published (people have, for instance, tried to source stuff to private personal correspondence, which doesn't count as valid sourcing as it hasn't been published), and (b) you provide the complete citation details so that somebody can track down the source if needed. So if you really do have enough viable offline sources, such as newspaper or magazine or book content that can get him over GNG, then that will count. Bearcat (talk) 15:20, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment Sorry guys, did not had time to pass today by the library.  I am concerned mostly with topic 1) 2) 9) and 11) of WP:NMUSIC. And this concerning is related with this link/src http://www.norrkopingssymfoniorkester.se/index.php/orkestern/aktuellt/nyheter/haer-aer-kompositoererna. The thing is (a) it was not him who wrote it, (b) the last paragraph translated says that before Norrköping Symphoniorkester premier his piece, he had already pieces premiered by Porto Orchestra and Lübeck Orchestra and Norrköping was also premiering a new piece (c) Orchestras cannot play unpublished pieces because of copyright laws (d) and this is where I get more surprised, if he has 25 years old, how can him have so many "orchestral pieces of music" played by orchestras? The classical music world is very competitive and having a single orchestra performing a piece is already a prize for the composer. He has 3 pieces premiered at least. And then there is the album matter on topic 2). He has an album that it will never enter to the top charts because it is classical music but let's look to the facts. Classical music is difficult to sell and still there was a label deciding to invest on a young guy to sell his "classical music" by Itunes store and amazon. I do not know if I am surpassing my bonds, but I think with this kind of young classical musicians we cannot take the  WP:NMUSIC so literal when it comes to the criteria. Sorry for this comment and honestly if I do not manage tomorrow to pass by the library and try to find the sources I will be the first one saying delete it since it has passed already too much time however since I know the work of this musician from here Göteborg Sweden, I suggest what  has done before, to give some time to the article for the responsible to source it well. Leichnester (talk) 18:48, 27 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Perhaps it would be best to Draftify this. I still see no notability here but I am willing to let somebody try and find the sources if they are out there. However it isn't my call, so just a suggestion  Velella  Velella Talk 19:56, 27 July 2016 (UTC)


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