Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pedro Salgado


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The result was no consensus. Despite BlameRuiner's misdirected support of Cap's non-existent !vote, the overall weight of this discussion is not in consensual territory. Lourdes 15:40, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Pedro Salgado

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Searching through the internet and I can't seem to find anything about this person as a footballer. There are other Pedro Salgado that does parkour but not football. Fails WP:GNG. HawkAussie (talk) 10:42, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
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 * Keep passes WP:NFOOTY and I'm finding a fair amount on him, mostly his appearances for Chile U-17s and U-20s, he even trialled at Manchester United -, and haven't specifically searched in Spanish yet. SportingFlyer  T · C  12:14, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - per SF, meets WP:NFOOTBALL and likely passes GNG. Needs improving, not deleting. GiantSnowman 14:53, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete – marginal NFOOTY pass but total GNG fail:
 * Per Soccerway, this player meets NFOOTY because, seven years ago, he had one appearance for 13 minutes for Universidad Católica in the top-tier, WP:FPL-listed Chilean Primera División. SW also lists 3 Copa Chile appearances (though SW doesn't list the dates and I can find no confirmation of the games) with 103 minutes playing time for all three. After that, he played one more season (25 games) for Deportes Temuco, which is currently in the second-tier Primera Division B, but at the time (2012), it was in the third-tier, not FPL-listed Segunda División Profesional de Chile (I love how every "minor" football league in the world names itself so as to make it appear it's in a higher tier than it really is). So his total professional playing time, seven years ago, is 116 minutes... equivalent to a little more than one full game.
 * As for GNG, my searches are coming up with a lot of other people named "Pedro Salgado", including a Chilean prosecutor who was involved in some high-profile cases, but only a handful of brief mentions of the footballer:
 * Stretty (only link the article and SF's second link above) is an article about another player that mentions Salgado in two sentences. Also, Stretty appears to be a fan generated site with a non-professional editorial team.
 * 24horas (SF's first link) is two sentence about the subject.
 * AS (click to third slide) is 2 sentences about the subject.
 * Puranoticia just lists him on the roster.
 * That's all I'm finding. Without anything beyond a couple-sentence mention, we have nothing from which to write an article (no way to improve it beyond a statbox stub), and a "GNG fail" like this suggests we should delete the article, even if NFOOTY is met with, at most, 116 minutes in 4 games. – Levivich 05:10, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * There's plenty more sources especially from soychile, see and more sources come up when you add Católica to the search terms (you can ignore the financial stuff and the prosecutor, that's a different guy). He was heavily covered at one point and it's disingenuous to claim that thsoe are the only sources. SportingFlyer  T · C  05:30, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I didn't claim those are the only sources, I said all I'm finding are brief mentions. I did search with Catolica, and Temuco, and his full name, and variations, etc. Which soychile is a GNG source? I saw the usual mentions in game and transfer reports but I may have missed something. And what is there besides soychile? Two GNG sources makes me a keep !voter. – Levivich 06:26, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Please look at the emol link I posted. There are six Soychile articles and many more which no longer appear to be available on the internet, such as El Mercurio which loads briefly before redirecting me, or  which is clearly about his loan to Manchester United but gives a dead link. The Soychile articles are short but definitely cover him, see     and this one is a bit longer . SportingFlyer  T · C  06:40, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks I will take a look through those before the AfD closes. – Levivich 07:17, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * After looking through them, I'm not convinced enough to change my !vote to keep. As is well-known, I generally think it's absolutely ridiculous to have articles about footballers who have only played a few professional games, unless there are at least two solid GNG sources, and that means from two independent publishers (independent of the source, and of each other). I'd count these two SoyChile articles  as one GNG source combined, because they're from the same publisher, but together they are over 500 words about the player, which I'd count as in depth. However, I still don't see a second GNG source. I can't access El Mercurio, which might be that second source, or maybe there's another one out there, I just haven't found it. If the player were still playing in an FPL, one GNG source would make me !vote draftify, but in this case, I'm still at delete. – Levivich  18:59, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 14:39, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - I think I am with on this one. While the player might technically pass NFOOTY, this is incredibly marginal, and the guideline itself specifically notes that it is a rule of thumb which does not require us to keep articles which meet it - this seem like precisely the kind of case that caveat was intended for. I can't see any sources which establish notability for this player (I'd also note that #1 from Levivich uses Salgado as an example of a player who did not make it, and #2 and #3 are lists of promising young Chilean players who were not successful). Concerning the sources from  that are accessible, I don't see anything which goes beyond routine coverage. 6 and 7 look like routine coverage about a player transfer; they might technically be about Salgado but I can't see them conferring notability. The fact that a player might not be able to be picked for a match does not make them notable. 8 also seems to be routine transfer coverage, as does 9. 10 appears to be a routine story about the player not being registered for the team's squad due to an injury. (Of course, with all of these, I am relying on Google Translate; I would be happy to be corrected by someone with a better knowledge of Spanish). Perhaps the two sources which I can't access are enough to satisfy GNG but, at this stage, that cannot be verified. Given the very marginal pass of NFOOTY and the fact that (in my assessment) the SoyChile articles provide no more than routine coverage, I have no reason to suppose without evidence that these further sources would be the in-depth, reliable coverage we are after. Of course, if someone can find a working link - or even access the sources themselves and describe their contents to us - then I would be happy to reconsider. WJ94 (talk) 17:57, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment I disagree with the two delete !votes strongly on whether the sources are routine - they're clearly, in my mind, significant coverage of a player. Even though the SoyChile covered him when he was in the second division, not all Temuco players receive that level of coverage. The fact other sources demonstrably exist on Salgado as well, although we can't easily access them - such as LUN's El futuro de Chile va a jugar con Manchester United from 2009 and Mercurio articles about Catolica playing youth in the cups - makes the WP:GNG pass clear. SportingFlyer  T · C  15:15, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - agree with Captain Raju and Giant Snowman reasoning. --BlameRuiner (talk) 15:18, 5 December 2019 (UTC)


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