Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peg Fenwick


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The result was keep. Withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 01:52, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Peg Fenwick

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Fails WP:AUTHOR. Her only notability seems to come from being the scriptwriter for All That Heaven Allows, and I could find scant coverage for that as is. Almost all the sources fail WP:SIGCOV, mentioning her merely in passing. Captain Eek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 07:05, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment FWIW, During WWII, she appears to have reviewed a number of scripts for the Office of War Information. Destroyer, War of the Wildcats and Gung Ho!.24.151.50.175 (talk) 19:53, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment I will gather some books about Douglas Sirk, Jane Wyman, Rock Hudson, and Agnes Moorehead to see how to expand upon Fenwick's writing of All That Heaven Allows. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 13:51, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes WP:CREATIVE #s 3 and 4. "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work [...] In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work [...]" "The person's work (or works) has: (a) become a significant monument, (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) won significant critical attention, or (d) been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums." All That Heaven Allows, Fenwick's major contribution to the film industry, is certainly that. It is in the US National Film Registry and was the subject of significant criticism when it was released through the present day. Fenwick's contribution of the screenplay is significant. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 14:11, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:12, 13 October 2019 (UTC) KEEP. I agree with DiamondRendley39 about the ongoing significance of All That Heaven Allows, and will also try to track down some books about Sirk's movies to add material to the references. Liamcalling (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:43, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep One of the sources already in the article, The Melbourne Age article from 28 Oct 1970, refers to her as both Mrs. Saul Padover and Peg Fenwick, and quotes her as saying that she worked in France and wrote the English version of Don Quixote and the original version of Remous. The Wikipedia article, IMDB and a 1937 newspaper article name the writer of Remous as American "Peggy Thompson". (The French Wikipedia says the film was based on the novel A kiss in the dark by Peggy Thompson.) I will follow this up, as I suspect that she may have used this as another pen name. If this is her, then she is definitely notable. RebeccaGreen (talk) 16:12, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment What a good find, RebeccaGreen! According to the Library of Congress and IMDb, the dates are off... by exactly two years, which would suggest they are the same person (and the IMDb pages should probably be combined). I am interested to learn what you find out. See https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0860587 But we'll hold off on changes for now.  I will dig into her later life to see if I can get an obit. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 16:24, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure it is the same person. A 1936 profile of Peggy Thompson mentions a brother, Edward McCray Thompson. Margaret McCray had a brother called Edward Hill McCray. Their mother died when Margaret was 6 and Edward 3, and their father died in 1914 when Margaret was 7 and Edward was 4. So far I've found that they were living with their McCray grandmother in 1915, and a Carr uncle was their guardian in 1916. I suspect that they were adopted by a Thompson, but haven't yet found anything between 1916 and about 1934. Will keep looking! RebeccaGreen (talk) 00:52, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes! Ellen Dustin Thompson and William S. Thompson adopted Margaret McCray Thompson and Edward Hill McCray Thompson in August 1917. Ellen divorced her husband in 1924, and these details appeared in a newspaper report. There are several long profiles of Peggy Thompson in 1930s newspapers, so there is plenty of material to meet WP:GNG, and evidence of meeting WP:AUTHOR as well. I will work on the article. RebeccaGreen (talk) 01:06, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment. That's great information. I'll take a look at it and suggest edits to IMDb. Why don't we take any further discussion to the article's talk page and focus on any lingering deletion discussion here? I am expecting this to be closed as KEEP. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 12:32, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you all for your hard work on finding that out, I had no clue about the nom de plume, which is probably why she didn't seem notable. Captain Eek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 15:43, 15 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Withdraw The hard work of User:RebeccaGreen and User:DiamondRemley39 have uncovered the much more complicated history of this subject, which I missed when researching because I didn't realize she had a nom de plume/complicated name history. With that in mind, I no longer find the article a candidate for deletion. Captain Eek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 15:43, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep per the withdrawal immediately above. I just wanted to add my shout out for the impressive WP:HEY work. 24.151.50.175 (talk) 16:50, 16 October 2019 (UTC)


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