Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pelendur


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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 04:00, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Pelendur

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A figure dredged out of the appendix of The Return of the King. Not notable in LOTR, little/no reliable coverage in the real world. Hog Farm (talk) 21:43, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:55, 30 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nominator.--Jack Upland (talk) 22:20, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete I could not find any indication that this character meets the standards outlined in the General notability guideline. He appears to be a minor character who has not been meaningfully discussed by academic or journalistic publications. Furthermore, the articles on Vorondil and Mardil Voronwë should be deleted as well. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 04:06, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete just no, when you one source is the appendix of a work of fiction, the subject is not notable, not ever. Unless you can find 5 or more indepdent, 3rd party, secondary sources, that means things not writen by a Tolkien and published in peer reviewed journals or contained in books published by reputable publishers, I am not ever going to be convinced this person is notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:16, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment The fact that an article on this obscure of a character from an apendix to a novel has lasted all the way since 2003 says a lot about how Wikipedia came to be. It clearly says we seem to have cared more about the fictional than the real then. It tells you somnething that articles on real world rulers in what is now India or Nigeria in the 1750s are not nearly as developed as this article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:19, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I would suggest that many of Wikipedia's earlier editors were white male nerds who were ignorant of anything outside of their interests. This ignorance caused them to ignore the interests and histories of non-white peoples. To put it bluntly, they were racially biased in a way that was detrimental to the project. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 15:07, 1 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete Redirect to Stewards of Gondor, where they are mentioned in the genealogy tree with other stewards. I agree with other !voters that the subject is not independently notable, but Pelendur could be a valid search term. -- SamCordes talk 06:37, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * That article is either about to be deleted or redirected, more likely the former, so I don't think it is a good redirect target.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:49, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Changed recommendation to Delete, per John Pack Lambert, thanks -- SamCordes talk 18:36, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fantasy-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 15:31, 2 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. The usual Tolkien fancruft with nothing but primary sources. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:01, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. The usual Tolkien fancruft with nothing but primary sources. Fails GNG/NFICTION.Kacper IV (talk) 12:14, 5 December 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.