Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pelléas et Mélisande (Herbert von Karajan recording)


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The result was keep. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 22:01, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Pelléas et Mélisande (Herbert von Karajan recording)

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Fails all of the criteria of WP:WikiProject Classical music/Guidelines. -- Softlavender (talk) 20:43, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 20:44, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Comment. The criteria in WP:WikiProject Classical music/Guidelines is from an essay by a WikiProject and does not carry the broad support of wikipedia policy. Further, this guideline section is currently being considered for removal for WP:NPOV concerns, as well as its conflict with the policy at WP:NALBUM.4meter4 (talk) 01:23, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. note that it also fails WP:NALBUM and WP:COPYVIO. The main bulk of the article consists of long paraphrases of critics reviews - these are certainly violations of copyright.Smerus (talk) 07:03, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:NALBUM. The article's COPYVIO issue has now been addressed - brief quotes from reviews will be supplied in due course. See also The Musical Times, May 1981, p. 317; Opera, December 1988, p. 1463; The Penguin Guide to Opera on Compact Disc, 1993, p.66; Best Rated CDs: Classical, 1992, p. 414; Opera Quarterly, Vol. 6, 1988, p. 36; BBC Music Magazine Top 1000 CDs Guide, 1996, p. 323; Matthew Boyden and Nick Kimberly's The Rough Guide to Opera, 2002, p. 282; and Alan Blyth's Opera on Record 3 (1984) and Opera on CD (1994).Niggle1892 (talk) 01:12, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:NALBUM criteria 1. Listed by Gramophone (magazine) as one of the top ten Debussy recordings] and reviewed by the magazine here, the recording is discussed in detail in his biography (available here on google books). The work was also reviewed by critic Paul Moor in Musical America, 1988, pg 74-75; and the American Record Guide, Volume 43, page 21-22, 1979. The work also has an entry in the reference work The Metropolitan Opera Guide to Recorded Opera (which can be viewed here), page 93, Paul Gruber, W. W. Norton & Company, New York City, 1993. If other reference works have entries on this article, wikipedia should too. The work has also been reviewed/discussed here, here, in The New York Times. 4meter4 (talk) 03:55, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment, with the article listing reviews by Gramophone (multiple reviews), and Sound & Vision, and those listed above by this is a keep, as easily meeting WP:NALBUM.Coolabahapple (talk) 09:35, 22 September 2019 (UTC)


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