Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pen Fight


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. No merge target is proposed and the only keep opinion acknowledges the lack of reliable secondary sources, which per WP:V requires deletion.  Sandstein  05:05, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Pen Fight

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No reliable secondary sources, non-notable. Was prodded as such, prod removed by anon. There seems to be a flash game of the same name, but that is non-notable too, and would probably qualify for speedy deletion under criterion A7. Huon (talk) 11:07, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 17:35, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:41, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. It's a great pity that such things are nominated for deletion, as this is an obviously encyclopedic topic and the only problem with it is that quite likely no reliable source has covered it yet. That's a general problem with games that are not commercially produced – it takes decades until they make it into anthologies. And with children's games it's even worse. Wikipedia articles on such "non-notable" topics which people have first-hand experience with can get quite good and authoritative, and this one seems headed that way. Marbles, at least, have become collectors' items and so there is a specialist literature that seems to cover rules at least cursorily. But it takes such accidents for games that are important to a huge percentage of the global population to become "notable" in our technical sense. This game appears to be a variant of a marbles game, played with pens instead of marbles. Unfortunately I wouldn't know where to look for a reliable source on the marbles game, or else merging into marble (toy) might be feasible. Hans Adler 05:54, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete I can't support the keeping of this as a stand alone article. There probably should be a wikipage called something along the lines of "school table games" then games like this could be added with a small paragraph. I have even played this game as something we just made-up one day when I was in school. The problem is that it just doesn't work very well as a game and lacks originality unlike subbuteo battle chess. There is one paper that briefly mentions it on scholar from 2009 . The closest game that I could find on wikipedia would be Penny football rather than marbles.Tetron76 (talk) 14:18, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * merge if a decent target can be found. Otherwise, though I largely agree with Hans, I think WP:N would call for deletion here.  Hobit (talk) 02:05, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.