Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Penance (X-Men)


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The result was merge to M (Marvel Comics). Eddie891 Talk Work 20:32, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Penance (X-Men)

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I prodded this with "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing General notability guideline requirement nor the more detailed Notability (fiction) supplementary essay. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar.", but the PROD was removed with no meaningful rationale by an editor who just got topic banned from deletion discussions (hence we cannot expect them to comment here). In the spirit of PRESERVE, I'd suggest a soft deletion by redirecting to List of Marvel Comics characters: P (or H, for Hollow?). Thoughts? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:51, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  10:51, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
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 * comment would suggest M (Marvel Comics) as a better merge target - it has its own similar problems, but fixable, and the combined article would be stronger. Artw (talk) 16:37, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree with Merge to M (Marvel Comics) aka Monet St Croix. This specific character's backstory is quite convoluted, but is intimately tied to M in terms of family relations. Yes, I agree it is fixable. I just had a look at Google Scholar and a number of articles have discussed Monet St Croix's identity and prominence as a Muslim superheroine, so it just needs a rewrite (and perhaps a rename to Monet St Croix) in some parts with sources that matter. Haleth (talk) 22:27, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * @Haleth and @Artw: any chance you could add at least a short reception/significance section to M to prevent that article from ending up here? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 07:24, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I think it would be unwise for you to press this further, it's starting to look more like sour grapes than genuine concern for wikipedia. Artw (talk) 15:31, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * If this is the best you can do, I doubt this article will fair much better. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:45, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 18:04, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge into any of the Marvel comics letter based articles above and I'd say that there should be a link in those letter based articles where this is not being sent to so people looking in those articles can find the content. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 18:53, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per the above and per WP:ATD. BD2412  T 22:20, 13 November 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.