Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peninsula Commando


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Skiereiland Commando. The overwhelming consensus was to redirect this article. There were some darn good arguments for each direction of the redirect. I felt the decision edged in the direction of redirecting toward the Afrikaan title, but only just barely. Please consider this closing indicates the consensus for a redirect, but should not be considered binding as far as the direction. If more involved editors want to reverse the direction of the redirect, I have no problem with that. Please take that discussion to the talk page(s). Joyous! | Talk 23:22, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Peninsula Commando

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There is already a page Skiereiland Commando. Peninsula is simply the English name for Skiereiland. A redirect replacing this page would probably be the best solution. BoonDock (talk) 18:34, 2 February 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:40, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. BoonDock (talk) 18:34, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 19:08, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Agree with the need for redirect, but since English and Afrikaans were both official languages, why not redirect from the Afrikaans to the English name? I found some references to "Cape Peninsula Commando" on Google Books (older) and "Peninsula Commando" (newer). The name Peninsula Commando matches WP:CRITERIA better, and it would be preferred, unless there's strong evidence that the WP:COMMONNAME was Skiereiland Commando. The term Peninsula would, to most English-speaking people familiar with South Africa clearly indicate the Cape Peninsula, while "Skiereiland" would leave most scratching their heads. Park3r (talk) 23:50, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * While there are de jure "official" languages in South Africa, the de facto languages vary by region. During most of the time that this unit was in existence, the only two languages were English and Afrikaans officially, but that region (Cape Province/Western Cape) is a primarily Afrikaans speaking area and the name was primarily the Afrikaans one. Cape Town itself is almost an English enclave in that region. I don't have a personal preference for either, but common usage was definitely for English and Afrikaans alike to refer to the unit by its Afrikaans name. BoonDock (talk) 00:44, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Difficult to establish a common name for this unit due to lack of authoritative sources. This 1977 book uses "Cape Peninsula Commando", this 1950 press digest uses "Peninsula Commando", and this 1990 miliaria book uses "Skiereiland Commando". In this situation, I consider WP:ENGLISH should be applied, and therefore the article should be at "Peninsula Commando", and "Skiereiland Commando" should be a redirect, so should "Cape Peninsula Commando" which is a feasible search term. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:41, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed. One request is that the current English page (Peninsula) get's blanked, and the current "Skiereiland" page becomes the new Peninsula page. BoonDock (talk) 16:16, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * If the articles are about the same subject then one should obviously redirect to the other. I don't think that AfD is the best place to decide which should be the article. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:10, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Redirect to Skiereiland Commando. That article is older so just to keep it simple, make the newer page a redirect to the older one and if the name is "wrong" then start an RM if necessary. - Aoidh (talk) 08:50, 10 February 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.