Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Penn Radio


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The result was redirect to Penn Jillette. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 21:38, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Penn Radio

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The ABC source, USA Today source, LA Times source, NY Times source, SFgate source are all passing mentions at best.The reality-tv-online source, mikegoudeau source, TIVO source, PennFans source 1, PennFans source 2, ComicsBulltin source, and the SiliconChef source are all WP:BLOG posts and other WP:SELFPUBLISH content. The MSNBC article is an WP:INTERVIEW that doesn’t even mention the show (at a glance, I didn’t read the whole interview), which means it’s a primary source not a secondary source. The Washington Post article is possibly the only source that contributes to the show’s notability, but WP:GNG states that “multiple sources are generally expected”. Penn Jillette probably passes WP:BIO and WP:GNG, but this show does not WP:INHERIT that notability. The article is currently quite lengthy, but the contents of the Wikipedia page itself does not contribute to notability per WP:ARTN--not to mention most of the article is unsourced. It could potentially be claimed that the show passes WP:RPRGM except that it’s an essay not a policy or guideline, and even the essay says that “the presence or absence of reliable sources is more definitive than the geographic range of the program's audience alone”. The show also hasn’t won any awards as far as I can tell so it doesn’t even qualify for WP:WEBCRIT. The article could potentially be merged and redirected to Penn Jillette, but so much of the article is unsourced and the host’s article already has multiple paragraphs dedicated to the show. Searching Google, Google News, Google Books, Google Scholar, Newspapers.com, and the Internet Archive yields only passing mentions of the show or WP:INTERVIEW content. The notability of the show was previously questioned on the talk page by in 2008 and  defended the article by claiming it’s a major radio program and pointing to the show’s profile on Last.fm neither of which are a measure of notability. The article has also been tagged for various issues for over a year and none of the issues have been fixed. If somehow this article is saved it needs to be WP:TNT. TipsyElephant (talk) 16:02, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. TipsyElephant (talk) 16:02, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Entertainment-related deletion discussions. TipsyElephant (talk) 16:02, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 17:16, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Obviously a lot can be edited. It was a very fan driven write up for the time. But the fact remains it was a CBS radio show with notably hosts and notable guests. Maybe merge with Penn Jillette's write up. Mindme (talk) 10:06, 9 September 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:08, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Penn Jillette. Fails WP:GNG per nom. SBKSPP (talk) 01:47, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Penn Jillette per nom. However, I'm not convinced that other quality RS offline or behind pay walls in newspapers doesn't exist. No prejudice against re-creation if enough quality RS is located to pass GNG in the future.4meter4 (talk) 19:00, 22 September 2021 (UTC)


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