Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pennsylvania Rite


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. ✗ plicit  12:18, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Pennsylvania Rite

 * – ( View AfD View log | edits since nomination)

I can't find any sources for the "Pennsylvania Rite", the first source for this brand-new article gives a 404 error and nothing on that site seems to actually support the claims made here. The "Ancient York Rite" seems to be claimed by Rhode Island or to be a more general American thing (masonry splits seem to be only matched by communist party splits, in that there are countless minute fractions all claiming to be the only true ones). But in any case there is as far as I can tell no evidence for a so-called Pennsylvania Rite. Fram (talk) 11:20, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Religion,  and Pennsylvania. Fram (talk) 11:20, 6 November 2023 (UTC)


 * 1) There is definitely a Pennsylvania Rite, as the article state it is the Ritual that the Grand Lodge of PA has adopted, which is completely different that the rest of the USA. Which is why it's the Pennsylvania Rite as opposed to the American or York rite. The books and articles in the sources talk about this; such as: and this one but you do not even need these sources to confirm that, look at the definition of a rite in Masonry,"A rite, within the context of Freemasonry, refers to a comprehensive system of degrees that hold the capability to initiate and advance a newcomer through various stages of Masonic knowledge and experience", case closed, this article has its place on Wikipedia. HyperSite (talk) 11:34, 6 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete If it's only practiced at the Grand Lodge of Pennsylvania, I'm confused why this would need a separate article. It's almost entirely sourced to the Pennsylvania Lodge, so I don't see independent notability. You may put relevant content in the main article. Reywas92Talk 14:16, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * TNT The sourcing issues here and in the creator's other edits make it pretty well impossible to trust anything here. -- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:39, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: only the first source referenced above (Yeager) mentions the “Ritual” (the word rite occurs in none of the three AFAICT), saying that it’s communicated only orally, and that even the attendant doctrines or lectures are never committed to writing. If true this creates an obvious problem for sourcing anything beyond the fact of its existence, which accordingly deserves at most a sentence or two in the GL/Pa article. The second source (Vicente) says nothing about practices of any kind; the third (Barratt & Sachse) describes an installation “ceremony” but I can find nothing about the content of the degree initiations. (There is one mention of an occasion at which certain individuals were re-initiated in the “antient” manner, apparently because the “modern” degrees they already held were not considered valid in this jurisdiction.)—Odysseus 1 4 7  9  23:50, 10 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.