Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Penny Drake


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Consensus is that the article fails the notability guidelines. However a sensible redirect target has been suggested so will recreate a redirect to Bikini News after deleting. Davewild (talk) 08:30, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Penny Drake

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Actress with only minor film roles. No suggestion or evidence otherwise, no references or reliable sources indicating notability or awareness by the world at large, and tone is promotional. CalendarWatcher (talk) 08:05, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, as the creator of the article I feel obliged to vote that way;) Well, I don't have much familiarity with the detailed standards for notability in this area, so I'm happy to defer to the opinion of those more experienced, but it seems that this person has a major supporting role in at least one movie we consider notable, as well as the co-starring role in a podcast thingy we consider notable, so she seems notable enough for a page of her own. Particularly because it gives interested readers (coming from either of those articles) the chance to find out something more about her (otherwise there woud be no link path between the two articles). If tone is felt to be promotional, that can be solved by editing and not deleting.--Kotniski (talk) 08:18, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete she isn't notable in accordance with our policies/guidelines. Nor is this properly verifiable per the reliable 3rd party sources criteria. Jasynnash2 (talk) 08:55, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you point me to the policies/guidelines you refer to? And why do you consider the source unreliable?--Kotniski (talk) 10:01, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Marginal delete. See WP:ENTERTAINER. She satisfies the "major roles" part, but not really the "notable films" (they seem to have been seen by many people, according to IMDb, but the ratings stink). Also, no significant interviews or press coverage. Clarityfiend (talk) 17:05, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Not sure I understand this; if the films aren't notable, then shouldn't they be up for deletion first/as well?--Kotniski (talk) 08:31, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and actresses-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  20:54, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * to answer your last question first. Probably but, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS isn't really a valid discussion for keeping or for deleting articles as each article needs to be judged on its own merits. As for the others she seems to fail notability because uncredited roles don't make people notable nor do supporting roles count as "major" roles unless they actually play some major part in the film, which so far I can't find any reliable 3rd party  reliable sources to  verify which are a couple more policies/guidelines which she fails. I consider IMDB unreliable for a number of reasons one of which is that anyone can add stuff to it (and there is a history here at Wikipedia to show what lengths some people have gone to to try and look notable when they aren't). The  reliable sources policy can explain it in more detail. Jasynnash2 (talk) 09:41, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * OK then, I can't find much in the way of sources either, so I accept the deletion. But propose a redirect to Bikini News (assuming that isn't getting deleted as well), where she definitely played the starring role. --Kotniski (talk) 10:24, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe. That article has problems of its own and I've tagged it for improvement. If it is notable, verifiable, etc than a redirect would make sense. Jasynnash2 (talk) 10:33, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm doing that then. I've merged a few of the links from this article into that one.--Kotniski (talk) 10:40, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.