Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Penny Johnston


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete just a rewrite of her ABC bio page. Shii (tock) 06:37, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Penny Johnston

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No indication of notability. I was going to speedy for no indication of significance, but I thought I'd bring it here. Matthew Thompson talk to me bro! 01:25, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
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Speaking as Penny Johnston, I don't think I warrant deletion! However the contribution to parenting discussion through the babytalk podcast makes this entry relevant. Currently the wiki entry is fairly sparse but the page has only been up for a few days! All of the information is verifiable the podcast is downloaded by about 80,000 users per month. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pennymcj (talk • contribs) 07:19, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You shouldn't really be contributing in your own article. Matthew Thompson  talk to me bro! 09:19, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - Subject is not  notable per Wikipedia requirements. Sources may  be verifiable but  are all  either disallowed primary  sources (policy), or self-populated sites such  as YouTube which  can be uploaded to  by  anyone. Fails notability at WP:GNG (policy),, and WP:BLP (policy). 'I  don't  think' is unfortunately not  a valid argument..  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:37, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Re: "Speaking as Penny Johnston, I don't think I warrant deletion!":

The idea is that the article has been nominated for deletion. No one, as far as I can tell, has threatened to delete you. I know that sounds frivolous, but in the last Afd discussion in which I was involved the subject really did behave as if he'd been consigned to Death Row. In that case he pretended to be someone other than the subject, so it's refreshing (for me) that you appear as yourself, although Matthew Thompson is right; the subject shouldn't normally edit an article about himself. Anyway, Kudpung's sources argument would seem to be valid. Do other sources exist? TheScotch (talk) 09:58, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Keep Penny is a notable public figure in Melbourne. She is one of the highest rating broadcasters for her show 'Babytalk'. I went to search for her on Wikipedia so find out about her work background. When I found no existing entry, I created one to recognise her. I intend to add more information as I locate it from verifiable, primary sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmilyClareO (talk • contribs) 11:10, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Keep - Google makes it clear that Penny Johnston is very well known in Australia. Most of the sources are connected to Babytalk, or, as is natural for a broadcaster, are by the subject herself. It seems certain that more reliable independent sources will emerge. Since WP readers are interested in such topics, we should keep. Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:05, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No, I agree with the discussion below, the evidence is as yet insufficient. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:29, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * We need third party references, and not from the ABC, because they employ her. Matthew Thompson  talk to me bro! 04:46, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Google (at least the one I  use)  fails completely  to  provide any  reliable sources to  the Penny Johnston who  is the subject  of this article.  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:52, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Note that  Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and not  a place for gaining  'recognition'. At Wikipedia, our strictest  policies apply  to  biographies of living  people. Notability must  be asserted according  to  Wikipedia's rules. At a push, this articles could be userfied until  such  sources are found and and verified for compliance. How to get pregnant on a smart phone, is colic scientific and can your relationship survive a baby are not sources and are  bordering  on  spam  links and promotion. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:53, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Comment I'm from Australia, and I haven't heard of her. (sorry if you're reading this Penny!) If you can find some valid third party references (not from the ABC, as they employ the person), then the article has a chance of being kept. Matthew Thompson talk to me bro! 04:31, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Mmm, you're right; search is complicated by several other PJ's from Australia. There's Anarchist Age Weekly Review which critiques ABC so is certainly independent; PJ interviews Aus Minister for Financial Services Chiswick Chap (talk) 06:48, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow Penny, you met Chris Bowen before he was immigration minister and...well... let's get back to the article. Those sources show she exists (which I never doubted), but what else? I think we should wait if/until she makes it big time, and we see some more independent sources, which give detailed information about her. Matthew Thompson  talk to me bro! 07:54, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete as failing WP:GNG. Completely lacking independent references. Stuartyeates (talk) 01:46, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
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