Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Penny floater


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Much obliged to ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 11:52, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Penny floater

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Unclear whether term exists

Besides the article having collected quite a bit of nonsense, none of the claims in it are references. But that's not even the main issue: my main problem is I cannot establish whether that term even exists. When searching ngram search there is no evidence for that term that predates this article. Also I couldn't find any web sources predating the usage of this term.

So if that is a proper term, then I will gladly retract my suggestion to delete the term. --denny vrandečić (talk) 20:37, 23 January 2018 (UTC)


 * The best I could quickly find that isn't twitter or a wiki-mirror is this book, but it doesn't seem very serious and only uses the term in passing. It might be a real term, but it's very hard to find. Chris857 (talk) 21:45, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That book is from 2011, Wikipedia 'introduced' the term in 2006, so it could easily have come from Wikipedia. Is there any indication for the term before Wikipedia? --denny vrandečić (talk) 21:58, 23 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. L3X1 Become a New Page Patroller!  (distænt write)  21:56, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. L3X1 Become a New Page Patroller!  (distænt write)  21:56, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 05:55, 24 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - the term definitely exists, it was used when I was a kid in the 1990s for a cheap plastic football. However, as much as I like to be nostalgic, this is certainly non-notable. As most a redirect to Ball (association football) (as a possible search term) could be considered. GiantSnowman 09:44, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Glad to see at least the term itself exists and wasn't invented. --denny vrandečić (talk) 14:51, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: No consensus
 * Redirect I kinda agree with a redirect however I think maybe to Football (ball) might be more appropriate that the association page. Govvy (talk) 13:27, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, T ofutwitch11  (T ALK ) 15:19, 30 January 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - I submitted the article to AfD originally, but given the work that User:Mortee put into it, I have changed my mind and vote for keep. The article now cites sources, and we found a few mentions older than the Wikipedia article, so I am fine with keeping it. Thanks for the work! --denny vrandečić (talk) 00:43, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. I'm really borderline on this one, so apologies for the long message. It's a very common object known by several names. That suggests notability to me, but because they're cheap, ubiquitous and generic there's not a lot to say about them, and little in-depth coverage accordingly—not enough to very clearly meet the GNG. I added sources to the article, the most substantial being . Here are some passing mentions of "penny floater" just for reassurance about that particular term:, , , . I don't see any need to find examples of use from pre-2006. It would be surprising for an obscure Wikipedia article to have introduced it into such natural usage and casual online text has a tendency to rot away over that timescale. (As an aside, the term "penny swerver", deleted from the article earlier, seems to also exist but be local to Sutton Coldfield ). There's enough here that it's better than a Wiktionary entry, and no other article yet mentions it so I wouldn't want to simply delete or redirect. I'd argue merge, but it's much too specific for ball and Football (ball) is quite solidly about balls used for professional sports and their near equivalents. Adding the penny floater detail there would be a little awkward imho. Still, that's definitely option B. For option A I vote keep as a low-value but harmless article about a common phenomenon. you're very welcome  Mortee (talk) 00:55, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I have no strong opinion or stake here, but your additions have improved the article significantly. Thank you. Chris857 (talk) 05:12, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 20:00, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per significant improvements by . Eddie891 Talk Work 18:30, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak keep After the initial nomination on January 23rd, numerous sourced edits indicate passable notability as a concept subject. Burroughs&#39;10 (talk) 19:33, 12 February 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.