Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/People's Republic of South Yorkshire


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. The rationale for merging is mostly unexplained, lest one comment about the article feeling a bit light; that's a subjective judgement, so it can't really weigh strongly against the larger number of voices who disagree. Merger can be discussed locally, of course. Wily D 07:24, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

People's Republic of South Yorkshire

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Not a notable concept or term. Disregarding the vast amounts of citationneeded tags and other inline tags (as these are editing issues), my search as per WP:BEFORE brought forth nothing to indicate that this is a suitable topic for an encyclopedia article. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 12:45, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Not encyclopedic. Delete. Chemical Engineer (talk) 17:13, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 13:19, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 13:20, 13 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep I've tidied up the article and streamlined it a bit, taking out some of the more irrelevant parts and focusing on the fact that in the 1980s, Sheffield Council had a unique and notable policy of municipal socialism. It would be hard to merge this article into another, since the state of affairs given this nickname had political effects on a local, county-wide and national level. Edit: The term has a lot of use in political analysis of 1980s Britain - all the cites I've used explicitly use the name "People's Republic of South Yorkshire" or "Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire", even in scholarly books and papers. Smurrayinchester 13:44, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * (Incidentally, "Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire" gets a lot more useful hits than "People's Republic of South Yorkshire") Smurrayinchester 16:34, 13 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment I'm not sure I understand the nominator's comment about BEFORE. Is that linking to the right place? Road Wizard (talk) 18:06, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Oops, that was meant to be WP:BEFORE, thanks for flagging it up :) Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 23:07, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep a quick search on google brings up a large number of sources of varying quality. In addition to the expected blogs and forum posts there are references in books and news articles. Whether the topic is judged "suitable" for an encyclopedia, there are enough sources that find it worthy of note. Road Wizard (talk) 21:30, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge/REdirect -- I feel sure that we must have an article on the politics of Sheffield, which would have a section on this subject. The redirect should be targeted on the section.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:54, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The article refers to Sheffield and the surrounding region. An article about Sheffield would not be the best place for it. Merging to an article about politics in South Yorkshire might be an option though, if there is one. Road Wizard (talk) 17:11, 17 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Mr. Stradivarius  (have a chat) 13:12, 20 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisting comment. I would like to hear more discussion about how this term relates to WP:DICT; in particular, the part that says "To support an article about a particular term or concept we must cite what reliable secondary sources, such as books and papers, say about the term or concept, not books and papers that use the term.". Editors should also be aware of using invalid arguments like WP:UNENCYCLOPEDIC and WP:Not notable. — Mr. Stradivarius  (have a chat) 13:20, 20 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge to South Yorkshire: Well, since you ask, the article is not exactly a dictionary definition (WP:Dict) of a colloquialism, as it provides some history and politics, with reasonable sources for the usage. However, it does feel too slight for an article, given that the subject is a jokey term for the South Yorkshire area (perhaps that's what people mean when they talk about unencyclopaedic), and people evidently feel a bit uncomfortable about notability, however many sources there are. I'd suggest that a merge to South Yorkshire would be best; the history, politics and indeed witty use of language in northern England would all go toward enriching that article (as a section casting an interesting sidelight), leaving a redirect here. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:40, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Chuckle! Must be a sister city of the People's Republic of Santa Monica (California). •••Life of Riley (T–C) 04:57, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. A joke name but a notable political phenomenon - and one often referred to under that or similar names at the time and since, as the references in the article show. And while I would have no particular objection to a merger with South Yorkshire, it should be noted that this would be a slightly uneasy fit, as the term was used at the time (and since) not just in connection with the actions of South Yorkshire County Council but also in connection with those of the local metropolitan area councils, and in particular those of Sheffield City Council. PWilkinson (talk) 17:06, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - something of a historical term, and perhaps the article involves a certain amount of original research, but I think this is basically a notable phenomenon that we should have an article on. Plenty of sources are available. I wouldn't object to a merge somewhere, but I don't think it's necessary either. Robofish (talk) 13:17, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge & Redirect, Verified content can be summarized and merged into the article about South Yorkshire, as it is a alternative name for the city of South Yorkshire. It is an alias for the town, and it can be mentioned within the body of the subject in a due weight manor. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 00:17, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
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