Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/People reported to be born in the Kaaba (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 08:24, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

People reported to be born in the Kaaba
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Not notable enough. -- M h hossein   talk 05:30, 6 April 2017 (UTC)   M h hossein   talk 05:30, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:45, 6 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment, How do you feel about the article, Birthplace of Ali ibn Abi Talib and the previous AfDs, Articles for deletion/Birthplace of Ali ibn Abi Talib and Articles for deletion/People reported to be born in the Kaaba? It seems like there was a consensus in the previous AfDs that both article should not exist, but that it was unclear which one should. I agree, and tend to agree with 's previous nomination of this article, "This article combines two subjects that need not be combined. It is much better to discuss the Hakim part in the Hakim article and the Ali part in the sub-article of Ali since his article is too long. If there were hundreds of people claimed to be born in the Kaaba it would be different... but there are not." That is, I agree that this article/title is a list that does not seem to be suitable for inclusion. The AfD of Birthplace of Ali ibn Abi Talib was nominated by , and while Gren is still active, Zora does not seem to be, for what it is worth. Smmurphy(Talk) 14:41, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Smmurphy: Current title, i.e. People reported to be born in the Kaaba, is funny besides lack of notability and implies that there are plenty of people born in Ka'ba. I'm not optimistic towards Birthplace of Ali ibn Abi Talib either. However, the current one is nearer to deletion in my opinion. -- M h hossein   talk 16:50, 6 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete. What a disaster of an article. As if someone is saying "look, here is what we think, this is what they think and here is a flood of evidence proving we are right and they are wrong." That is not neutral, simple as that. The state of sourcing is awful and, even worse, it looks like WP:SYNTHESIS, as none present these births together. The other article is hardly any better, except maybe for its language; if the other one gets afd'ed, I'd probably vote delete too (or perhaps redirect due to the somewhat plausible title). --HyperGaruda (talk) 19:40, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree by the way that discussing Ali's/Hakim's birth place at their respective biographies is more than enough. --HyperGaruda (talk) 19:42, 6 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:TNT, WP:BOLLOCKS, and WP:NOT. Bearian (talk) 03:42, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SYNTH. This seems like another part of the veritable fiefdom of original research pieces created by a certain user in the mid-2000s. To be fair, that user was an incredibly helpful editor based on their edit history, and created many high-importance articles on religion, but there was also a strong tendency to publish is own research as Wikipedia articles. This is a prime example of that: a series of primary sources used to support an original point which the original author (pre-move) was trying to make. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:43, 10 April 2017 (UTC)


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