Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Per Bergersen


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The result was no consensus. Michig (talk) 11:06, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Per Bergersen

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I quote from the article: "Per Bergersen is considered among many people as the greatest (undiscovered) Norwegian song writer to ever have lived[.]" (my emphasis) One Norwegian documentary is not enough for notability here; possibly there are actual sources (it's not clear that said documentary is one of them) but as it stands there is no real evidence this fellow has any following. Mangoe (talk) 20:09, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Norway-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:22, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete. The article claims he "in fact was almost unpublished". I agree a radio documentary makes a thin claim for relevance, and the point for the documentary was a scope on the talent rather than a complete artist. Grrahnbahr (talk) 11:55, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep. It's been a long time since I seriously contributed to Wikipedia, so pardon me if I'm not doing this the "correct" way.


 * While Per Bergersen certainly isn't a household name to the average Norwegian, his name is well known is musical circles. He inspired, amongst others the Norwegian black metal band, Mayhem. He was "unpublished" in the sense that he never had a recording contract, but his music was spread on self-published cassettes in the Norwegian alternative music scene during the late 1980s-early 1990s (which is well documented in the Ridder Sjanseløs radio documentary). The documentary in question was made by NRK, the Norwegian equivalent to the BBC as a part of its "Radiodokumentaren" series. Knut Schreiner of Turbonegro wrote an article about Bergersen in the major Norwegian musical magazine ENO, and later did an article in Morgenbladet, one of the leading Norwegian newspapers regarding cultural matters. There is also a documentary film in the works by Johnny W. Nyhagen, although the progress on the project seems to have stalled. It should also be noted that the official, posthumous record, PB, is in very high demand, fetching several hundred dollars on Norwegian auction sites (having originally been made in 1000 copies). I would argue that his inclusion on Wikipedia is very much justified. Bricklayer (talk) 16:48, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Weak keep but tag as "references needed", and hopefully Bricklayer will add the reliable references to the page. I did some searching in Norwegian newspapers and found mentions, but no actual articles. Some of the papers, however, are paywalled so I didn't get very far. LaMona (talk) 17:39, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete. The basic premise of this article is that he could have become a great song writer. So could I! -or you, or anyone. That is not a reason for him to have an article here. Yes, the NRK radio documentary people made a documentary about him....they have written about me, too, that does not make "Huldra" on English Wikipedia noteworthy.  Collectors who have paid silly amounts for this one limited PB-record would of course love him to be "notable"; that´s all I can see. (And yes; I did listen to the you-tube videos; he was a shadow of Jokke & Valentinerne.  Sorry for being so harsh, but there is nothing to salvage (article-wise) here. (And please! Are you seriously trying to use Facebook-pages or qxl-pages (that is an auction-site) as sources?? They are totally not WP:RS) Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:33, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ceradon ( talk  •  contribs ) 08:18, 30 December 2014 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Strong Delete. Read WP:ARTIST, and ask yourself: does the late mr Bergersen fulfil any of the criteria listed there? No, he simply does not. The article  is a classic WP:MEMORIAL, --Huldra (talk) 21:08, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  07:59, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep, clearly notable per User:Bricklayer--Ymblanter (talk) 10:36, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
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