Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peregrine (U.S. band)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. If they gain increased coverage in the future, then we can recreate this; for now, notability is existent but not sufficient. m.o.p 18:11, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Peregrine (U.S. band)

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Non-notable band, only active since 2007, and has only released 1.5 albums... fails WP:BAND... Adolphus79 (talk) 19:57, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  — J04n(talk page) 20:25, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this band. Joe Chill (talk) 20:31, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep:Having more than 2 albuns is one factor of notability, but not a necessary one. Even if we do consider that they have 1.5 albuns, that would still not be a reason to exclude it. With an article on Terrorizer magazine and several profiles on websites such as reverbnation.com, the band seems to meet the necessary criteria. Maziotis (talk) 21:03, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. The two albums have to be on a major record label for that factor to be present.   TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 21:10, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: The "having more than 2 albuns" factor has not been used. Maziotis (talk) 22:32, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I see it being used in addition to the WP:GNG. Also, anybody can create a reverbnation account.   TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 21:56, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Peregrine has been covered in a number of profiles, some of which are not open to anyone. I mentioned this since I believe that this indicates notability, along with the references on the magazine, Terrorizer. Again, the number of albuns does not exclude a band from being considered notable. You may argue that this band does not satisfy the 2 album limit in a major label, but no one has used this as a reason to keep the article. This criterion is not a necessary condition.Maziotis (talk) 22:24, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Non-notable band with albums released on a non-notable label. We have no article for (paraphrasing) "F*** City Records".  Too f***ing bad, but that's the way it is. Mandsford (talk) 22:20, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * We don't need one. The band has not been considered notable on the grounds of its label by anyone.Maziotis (talk) 22:24, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete would seem to fail WP:BAND. B figura  (talk) 22:23, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Please be more specific. We have been discussing the criteria used in that policy, above.Maziotis (talk) 22:25, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I understand your objection. I'm saying that it fails to meet WP:BAND, ie, it passes none of the criteria listed on that page. Or, in other words, it fails them all. None of the references you cite seem to indicate otherwise. Purevolume has about 2 sentences of information. Storminside lists gigs . iVolume ] literally has no information, other than links to download. And OpentheCages  seems to indicate they performed at a NN event and gives a few paragraphs of info. None provide in depth coverage. -- B figura  (talk) 22:36, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Those websites were not referenced as providing in depth coverage. Terrorizer magazine article was. Maziotis (talk) 22:41, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * But still, we would need multiple, reliable sources. It looks like we have found one.   TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 00:03, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Terrorizer alone offers more than one. Aside from a source that provides significant coverage, Andy Hurley's record label has been covered on the news, which makes it reliable as a source. So, pointing to that essay might be misleading. Maziotis (talk) 00:13, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

On notability: 1.5 albums on a major or notable label; the label F*** City is owned by Andy Hurley, drummer of Fall Out Boy. Though it is a relatively recent label, the work to push it through larger venues is currently in the works. However, being the direct project of a Fall Out Boy member seems notable. F*** City records is a label of Fall Out Boy, Misery Signals and Burning Empires (members of Fall Out Boy, Misery Signals, and 7 Angels, 7 Plagues). The founder of the band, Kevin Tucker, is a notable person/musician. He has been subjected to Grand Jury Subpoenas as a part of the Green Scare, whom Peregrine has done benefits for. He is a noted anarchist writer and the band is one of the first anarcho-primitivist bands. Two former members were in The Knife Trade with direct ties to front running death metal acts Arsis and Black Dahlia Murder. One of those members has a band with a member of Baroness. Jordan Villella was a member of The Zimmermann Note (Nuclear Blast Records) and Circle of Dead Children (Willowtip). That makes four notable musicians, the criteria is for two. Furthermore, Peregrine are the originators of a sub-genre, "black and green metal". In response to references: Terrorizer Magazine has run two bits on Peregrine. Storm Inside has two write ups about the band's albums, noting their significance, but DOES NOT list gigs for the band. Try Babblefish next time. Other sources: Peregrine on FC records, Encyclopedia Metallum entry, Spirit of Metal entry, Flagpole Newspaper write up on the band (Athens, GA), and Anti-Christian Metal interview. I'd contest the lack of information found easily on the internet isn't for a lack of information, but difficulty in searching a band with named after a bird of prey. (AnarchoPrimitivist (talk) 07:43, 17 November 2009 (UTC))

The band has also toured with Misery Signals and After the Burial. (AnarchoPrimitivist (talk) 07:45, 17 November 2009 (UTC))
 * WP:NOTINHERETED. My nonexistent garage band could tour with (what's left of) The Beatles, and that fact wouldn't make my nonexistent garage band any more notable.  Also any band that is "br00tal metal" lands on the metal archives. at one time or another  That page shows no notability.   TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 20:37, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Together with other websites like this one, it served to argue for evidence of public interest. This point alone is not even close to meeting the criteria for notability. So, what's your point? Maziotis (talk) 22:10, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Public interest means next to nothing according to WP:N.  TheWeak Willed   (T * G)
 * Did you read my reply? Maziotis (talk) 10:19, 18 November 2009 (UTC)


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