Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Perfect Dark (P2P)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Keep the consensus seems to be that this program is notable. A lack of reliable sources is a problem but not sufficient to warrant deletion. Systemic bias is always a problem in these type of articles and establishing notability can be tricky. (closed by non-admin) RMHED (talk) 00:51, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Perfect Dark (P2P)

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No assertion of notability. Sources are unreliable (Random wiki, discussion boards). Drat (Talk) 02:19, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete Seems like it might be notable, but I can't find any reliable sources. faithless   (speak)  02:59, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete: Per above, cannot locate sufficient sources, and the sources in the article aren't really reliable. - Rjd0060 03:04, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak keep on grounds that the Japanese Wiki seems to find it notable enough. Note that locating information on the subject is incredibly difficult due to it being a)Japanese and b)sharing the name of a popular video game. This difficulty should not be held against it.--SeizureDog 04:14, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Concur with SeizureDog, above. Additionally, details regarding projects similar to this, such as Winny and Share are often kept quiet due to possible legal issues surrounding filesharing in Japan. Discussion of them is often limited to discussion boards and the secure P2P network itself. Rintaun 01:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, although I was the one who requested this article in the first place. There is next to nil English-language sources on this topic, but that doesn't mean it's not notable. We should avoid a systemic bias of deleting articles where there are few sources in English. -Aknorals 08:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep The notability guidelines do state that "exceptions" may be "appropriate to fields that are not well covered by print sources". While that particular line was speaking of something else and doesn't specifically apply here, it implies that a lack of English printed sources does not necessarily mean something is not notable.  The subject of this article is clearly notable in Japan, so it seems dubious to delete it due to a lack of easy-to-find English sources. Layzner (Talk) 21:43, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep The Japanese wikipedia isn't much a "random wiki". There are indeed not much trustable English sources, but please keep in mind that it's still in beta phase. ipridian 15:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a popular piece of software in much of Asia. — Joshua Johaneman [[Image:Flag_of_New_York.svg|30px|]] 06:45, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Finally got hold of official documentation, Also found some implementation (tests?) and whitepapers that seems to explain of this application. Currently getting them translated. Stay tuned for update. Jef 14:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Popular in Japan. Probably gains more popularity on western world now that it includes English language. Readme and history files of program should be added as sources. Pahajoki (talk) 21:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Most of the "keep" arguments are saying that there are sources in Japanese out there. However, the article doesn't currently have any sources. If someone can add Japanese sources, please do; it's not ideal, but it's better than nothing. While English language sources are certainly preferable, it is acceptable to use other languages if necessary. But if no one adds any sources, we can only assume that they are not out there.  faithless   (speak)  23:32, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Jef said that he has some.--SeizureDog (talk) 01:29, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * In the meantime I added a slashdot.jp reference. Layzner (Talk) 01:33, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep I have personally used this program, it is not unpopular in Japan, I promise. However, one major issue with references on things like this and Share (P2P) are the fact that there is none. Documentation is the last thing the developers want to create, Japanese law regarding piracy is very different from American law. Because of documentation and similar things, many developers have been imprisoned for creating Share. Perfect Dark is meant to be it's successor, and prison is not fun. --RyuKojiro (talk) 06:14, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.