Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Perfect Soul


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Tone 20:41, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Perfect Soul

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Fails WP:GNG and seems WP:TOOSOON for this duo. The Knowledge is the newsletter of their local community, and the article was written by... er, the duo's brother. The links to the BBC pages only show an artist page and no indication that there was anything more than a single play on their local radio station. They may be notable enough for an article one day but right now I can't find any information that demonstrates notability. Richard3120 (talk) 21:07, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Richard3120 (talk) 21:08, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Richard3120 (talk) 21:08, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Richard3120 (talk) 21:08, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related page, the duo's self-released EP, which fails WP:NALBUM:

Richard3120 (talk) 21:12, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Richard3120 (talk) 21:12, 7 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete band and album per WP:TOOSOON. The first source in the band's article is a local fanzine blurb written by their brother, and the second is from a friendly fan's blog. I can find nothing else beyond the usual social media and self-promotional sites. Their album was just released and only appears in the usual streaming and retail services, with a couple of reprinted press releases, but no reliable reviews or other coverage. Good luck to them as they get started but these Wikipedia articles (band and album) are simply attempted promotions for the time being. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 14:02, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep The artist article has been updated and now has more references, these include multiple reliable, independent reviews from notable magazines, and other sources. The article is sufficient enough to pass WP:GNG and is not WP:TOOSOON. In regards to the separate album article, I agree with the proposed deletion as it doesn't call for a standalone page at present. OnlyOneRaider (talk) 02:43, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * There are still no good sources for his article. EarMILK doesn't mention the band at all. The BBC playlists only indicate a single play on a local radio station. Stereo Stickman, Planet Singer and Upstream Indie are all promotion/marketing websites inviting artists to submit their music for promotion. Last Minute Musicians and Music Trails are blogs. So the only source that could possibly count as reliable is Chelsea Monthly which is a primary source interview in a limited-distribution lifestyle magazine. Richard3120 (talk) 15:30, 10 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep The first source is, irrespective of its author's relation to the band, an objective article by a journalist. It's also incorrect for  DOOMSDAYER 520 to refer to The Knowledge as a 'fanzine'; it's an editorially-independent publication. Moreover, the recent addition of reliable, independent sources to the article – a reflection of the significant coverage there is for Perfect Soul – means it now passes WP:GNG as well as WP:TOOSOON. Davebenphilips (talk) 15:31, 10 August (UTC) — Davebenphilips (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * You joined Wikipedia just to give your opinion on a deletion discussion? And no, an article written by their own brother is never going to qualify as "objective". Richard3120 (talk) 15:30, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Davebenphilips and OnlyOneRaider are passionately defending the band and article, and there is nothing wrong with being new to Wikipedia. But this is a site with policies on who/what is included, and it is worth learning why those policies exist. If you love a band, write about them in your blog. Wikipedia is an encyclopedic resource in which people and things must qualify for inclusion. That's what the veterans are talking about here. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 21:37, 10 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep: The EP was deleted per WP:G7 in the middle of this AfD. The duo seems to be notable, but their EP is not. With more reliable sources added by OnlyOneRaider, the article is good enough to pass WP:NBAND. ASTIG😎  (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 16:00, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I've explained above that none of the sources added are reliable, and why. Which ones do you think are reliable? Richard3120 (talk) 16:03, 10 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment Further to my previous vote, the article has again been updated with additional notable and independent sources, this includes Vents Magazine and Urbanista Magazine. As previously mentioned, the additional sources make this article sufficient enough to pass WP:NBAND. OnlyOneRaider (talk) 23:14, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * There's an ongoing discussion at WP:ALBUMS about the reliability of Vents, and the current consensus is that it's not a good source. Urbanista definitely isn't reliable - the website states that it's a platform for any aspiring writers. Richard3120 (talk) 01:33, 12 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete - I've had a look at the sources in the article and I don't see the coverage in reliable sources that is needed. I concur with the nominator that the sources fail to be independent or reliable.  -- Whpq (talk) 17:51, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, per nom. I think this is a textbook case of WP:TOOSOON; Wikipedia is not the place to promote a band, if the band achieves sustained notability then the article will follow. Adding additional poor sources will not help this article demonstrate notability. Ifnord (talk) 16:29, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


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