Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Permian High School

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was KEEP. JeremyA 13:43, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Permian High School
No notability demonstrated Shoaler 17:32, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * The school was featured in a sports movie called Friday Night Lights, or something like that; apparently, they're a very highly-ranked high school football program. No vote. Meelar (talk) 18:24, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * Meelar is right. In fact, given the feature-film status of Permian, I'm very surprised that the article isn't larger. I'm not a football guy, but I watched Friday Night Lights on the way home from China.  Keep as a stub, and maybe think about making it a contribution/project thingie. 216.158.31.195 18:34, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as the location of the notable book (and later movie) FNL. Ben-w 18:33, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * delete not notable. Dunc|&#9786; 18:46, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * keep and expand this is a notable school featured in a film Yuckfoo 18:53, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Question. Is there anything to say about the school that is not covered by Friday Night Lights?  Is it notable outside of the book/film?  To give a different example, a number of people were featured in the documentary film Hands on a Hard Body, who would not be notable except for their appearance in the film.  In such a case I can see having an article about the film that mentions them, but not separate articles for each person, because their notability is restricted to appearance in that film and can be adequately addressed in that context.  --Tabor 19:17, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Apologies to Tabor here; I inadvertently did a mouse drag and inserted a comment by me into his edit (sounds weird, but it's true) I said: "There really is little point listing this kind of school for deletion when perfectly normal junior schools are routinely saved without the benefit of print, silver or technicolor." --Tony Sidaway|Talk 13:32, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * There isn't really a good answer to your question; there's a lot of controversy over whether individual high schools are notable enough to get articles independently. See Schools for more. Meelar (talk) 19:52, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Although its not much of a stub, it does (through the reference to the "winningest football team") identify the school sufficiently, and for the reasons noted above the school has notability (if that were required for a school).  DS1953 19:40, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep any non-fictional school upon which a movie is based. -- BD2412 talk 20:25, 2005 Jun 3 (UTC)
 * Keep. I think this one's pretty clear; a movie and an Olympic silver medalist posted within a day of creation.   Un  focused  21:16, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Verifiable and NPOV. Double Blue  (Talk) 22:14, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. I think this is one we can all agree on. There's the book and the movie in which the coach is played by Lara Croft's former squeeze, Billy Bob Thornton.  It's picked up three 2005 award nominations, and the 2004 silver medalist Toby Stevenson.                                                                             --Tony Sidaway|Talk 23:14, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. This article has an notably strong BEEFSTEW potential, give it time to allow for organic growth.  --Bahn Mi 01:06, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * See WP:AN/I. This is a suspected sock of User:GRider, who is banned from VfD. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 17:57, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. NeoJustin 02:03, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keeo, notable. Neutralitytalk 02:04, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm going to shock everybody by voting keep. Notable school.  RickK 04:06, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * It could do with a bit of (non-waffling) expansion, but its not every school that is featured in a best selling book that has a notable film made about it, nor every school the produces an Olympic silver medalist. Keep. Thryduulf 07:38, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is an example of the rare encyclopedically notable secondary school.  You actually can distinguish this school from thousands of other similar schools, and there are more interesting things to report about it than the school colors.  Quale 09:46, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - notable American Football team with a school attached. (School National Champions in 1972 and 1989). I may disagree with their priorities, but given that we'll write articles on every minor sportsperson, a team that attracts five figure crowds is notable. Average Earthman 16:01, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Extreme keep, obviously. Placing school articles on VfD 4 minutes after creation is counter-productive.  &mdash;RaD Man (talk) 16:23, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. Wow, you're right!  It was listed for deletion four minutes after being created.  This anti-school campaign is becoming very silly, and it has to be said, having a negligible effect, or possibly a large one in the direction opposite to that intended. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 16:26, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Wow, heaven forbid that people who think that crap is crap should want to list it for deletion!!!!! Especially since, at the time of listing, all it said was, "ermian High School has the winningest team in texas high school history.". RickK 21:04, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)]
 * Clearly the nominator here failed to do minimal research. This is not the way to perform cleanup or RC. The fact that since April 22nd some seventy school articles have been listed for deletion and their discussions all closed without deletion, and a further twenty deletion listings that have not yet been closed also seem to be headed for a non-delete result, also suggests to me that those nominating those ninety schools for deletion in the space of six weeks are failing to do proper research, failing to consider alternatives before going to VfD, and failing to judge the mood of Wikipedia on the matter of schools. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 13:18, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. High school from Texas with notable football team subject of book and feature film. Besides, they take their high school football very seriously in Texas. Capitalistroadster 06:15, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep notable school User:GRider/Schoolwatch Klonimus 07:48, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. This school has been featured in a movie, and has a fairly long list of notable alumni. I think that establishes notability, whether or not one thinks highs schools are notable par se. Sjakkalle (Check!)  06:52, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Obvious bad-faith nomination of very notable institution. Censure nominator. Centauri 08:10, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge into Odessa, Texas and delete - Skysmith 09:13, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment - On a side note, it makes me really feel as though wikipedia is getting its job done - from the first "winningest football team" entry to the current brief, but encyclopaedic, entry, the article's really evolved because of the spotlight cast on it by VfD. Pretty neat. 216.158.31.195 18:14, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. I think I agree, but I'd rather see Wikipedia get to the point where admins on cleanup use Google more so we don't end up with an article on VfD in the first place.  This article is obviously not one that Wikipedia would delete. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 07:17, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. I still get the warm and fuzzies from it though. 216.158.31.195 19:45, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * They wouldn't have had the chance with this one, it was on VfD within four minutes. But I agree with you, people should do a quick Google before VfDing to catch the articles that are just badly written. Average Earthman 06:03, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Finally, a notable school. Jayjg (talk) 21:15, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. A notable school. I do not see the harm in high school articles, provided that they are not 'fluff' and adhere to NPOV. (talk)


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