Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Persecution of Kurds


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. A notable topic; can be improved via the suggestions for clean-up made by the participants. (non-admin closure) Curbon7 (talk) 02:30, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Persecution of Kurds

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There article treats an issue on which several more specific articles already exist. Examples would be: Human rights of Kurdish people in Turkey, Arab Belt, Anfal campaign, the several Kurdish rebellions in Turkey, Persecution of Feyli Kurds under Saddam Hussein. I then thought it could be the name of a category, but categories on the Persecution of Kurds by country also already exist. Therefore, delete. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 02:56, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Discrimination-related deletion discussions. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 02:56, 23 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep, on the basis it is undoubtedly a notable topic. It would be a good article to act as an umbrella to gather the various sub-articles in one place. Sionk (talk) 19:29, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the WikiProject Deletion sorting/Iran WikiProject Deletion sorting/Turkey WikiProject Deletion sorting/Iraq WikiProject Deletion sorting/Syria Shadow4dark (talk) 22:43, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak delete I agree with Sionk on general basis, however with the current status of the article it serves no extra information upon the topic compared to specific articles. It has a potential to give extra information within the topic as a general article, however it is not convenient with its current situation as an encyclopedic article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 07 (talk • contribs) 11:13, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bungle (talk • contribs) 07:20, 30 August 2021 (UTC) *Delete per nom. Where we already have good coverage of a topic in existing articles, properly categorised, a new general topic like this adds no clarity and acts as a POV-magnet. Nothing will be lost by deleting this. Mccapra (talk) 08:55, 30 August 2021 (UTC) striking my !vote Mccapra (talk) 11:46, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep What the nomination seems to be telling us is that this is a notable topic because there are already several pages and categories which cover it. The issue then is the title of the page.  This seems quite clear and consistent with numerous other pages including:
 * Persecution of Ahmadis
 * Persecution of Buddhists
 * Persecution of Christians
 * Persecution of Germans
 * Persecution of Hazara people
 * Persecution of Jews
 * Persecution of people with albinism
 * Persecution of Sufis
 * Persecution of Yazidis
 * Persecution of Zoroastrians
 * These are all full page titles and there many other persecutions which are redirects such as Persecution of Gypsies and Persecution of Uyghurs.
 * Now the alternative titles offered by the nomination such as Persecution of Feyli Kurds under Saddam Hussein seem comparatively obscure and unhelpful for navigation. As the Kurds seem to have had more than their share of persecution, a general title seems appropriate per WP:BROAD.  Andrew🐉(talk) 10:17, 30 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep - certainly a notable topic and does not seem to be covered fully elsewhere. I concede the article is in need of improving but what articles are not? I don’t accept the nom’s arguments that other articles already cover this topic - they are very different articles. We would not think of deleting Persecution of Jews just because articles exist on the Holocaust, Pogroms etc. Vladimir.copic (talk) 12:00, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep All these pages can be merged in one page Shadow4dark (talk) 13:49, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - Agreed that the article is in a very poor state, but so are many articles which come to AfD. Please see WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP, and note how it links in a hatnote to a more detailed essay called Deletion is not cleanup. This is precisely what Persecution of Kurds needs: each of the articles enumerated by the nominator should be summarized in a different section of the article, each time with a Main section hatnote linking to the main article. Any editor with a bit of background knowledge on the topic should be easily capable of doing this, and it would be very much worth reading if that happened. Or just stubify it to one paragraph and give 'See also' links to the main articles. In any case, not improving the article on a (very) notable subject is not a valid reason for deleting. ☿ Apaugasma  ( talk  ☉) 19:42, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * (answering Paradise Chronicle's query below) Don't blow it up: if you don't want to put in the work, either stubify it (the preferred option, but still some work) or leave it be really bad, as a great many WP articles are. ☿ Apaugasma  ( talk  ☉) 21:49, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * comment, For the ones who argue keep. Would you also want to expand the page accordingly? If not, how about WP:TNT?Paradise Chronicle (talk) 21:23, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * To clarify a bit more, just to come up with the name Persecution of Kurds, and not describing the many examples of how Kurds were persecuted for being Kurds is probably not even a stub. I for now added an example of such an event in the article in relation with the Konya massacre, but I must admit that it is not very well sourced (own account of a family member).Paradise Chronicle (talk) 07:34, 31 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep, as this is very clearly a notable topic.Jackattack1597 (talk) 11:34, 6 September 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.