Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Personal Telco


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. Mailer Diablo 16:40, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Personal Telco
There are no reliable secondary sources in the article, such as a newspaper article. Only using the website itself does not pass wikipedia's requirements for notability, verifiability, or original research. The policies outlined on notable (WP:WEB), WP:V, and WP:NOR show the article fails these and wikipedia does not keep articles that fail these, even if they have a website. FurryiamIAM 08:09, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete it won't be a loss for the article to go.  This is not like a biography of a deceased person for whom documentation is getting harder and harder to find.  If the site gets more notable, documentation should become easier to find, and a new article can be entered after that happens.  Anomo 15:47, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, this is a notable wireless Internet project. I'm going to start looking for newspaper articles, I've seen it get a lot of coverage. --Liface 16:13, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: I just referenced the article. Please go back and look at it again. --Liface 16:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: Also note that the user who put this up for deletion has just been blocked from Wikipedia. --Liface 17:01, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. No need to get rid of a well-cited article, it makes a claim to notability, and provides useful information to the reader. --tjstrf 17:21, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say keep, although I'm not quite up-to-date with en.wp's rules of the day. Even if the website is less notable today than it was when I started this article in May 2001, Personal Telco was an important part of an important "free wi-fi movement" around the turn of the millennium. If the article is deleted, Personal Telco should at least have a section in the broader article about this wireless community network movement. Several similar articles could be coalesced (sp?) into that one. Perhaps my old text from Everything2 could also be used for this? --LA2 17:41, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. PersonalTelco's notability is that it is an important part of Portland's high-tech industry/community, as well as having influence in the larger Free WiFi movement. The article probably could emphasise this more, but even as it currently reads this article explains why the subject is notable. Liface has done a good job of providing cites for this article, but if there are any further doubts, I'd be happpy to sift thru my PTP maillist archive & pull out more references: I expect PTP has been written up several dozen times by the press since its incorporation 5 years ago. -- llywrch 18:12, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep: Notability has been asserted. --Peephole 18:52, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. While an org, I don't see it meeting WP:CORP.  There are many Wi-Fi networks up and running.  Including a generic article that includes all of these some what mentionable ones is a better way to go in my mind.  Otherwise a lot of these will deserve articles. The same is true for the multiple mesh networks that the various companies are installing.  Vegaswikian 23:25, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.