Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peru Elementary School District 124


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. No actual sources have been presented. However, it does seem very likely that they exist, there are no arguments for deletion other than the nominator, and this discussion is already pretty long, so there is little to be gained in relisting. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 08:27, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Peru Elementary School District 124

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Most references are self-referential and other rererences are either trivial mentions. Notability questionable.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 02:29, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Analyzing the notability of a governmental subdivision as if it were a vanity posting seems rather off the mark to me. Has any prior AFD judged that a public school district in the U.S. was not notable?  I'd think the consensus is that all such entities merit inclusion.  Though this one seems rather, well, small, but I'd think at most it would still be merged somewhere, not deleted.  postdlf (talk) 04:06, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep School institutions are exempt from the requirement of extensive notability claims. Phearson (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Why is that?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 18:53, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:16, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:16, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: There is no automatic presumption of notability of grade school districts, only for high schools (Notability (high schools)), of which some are single-school districts titled with their district rather than school name.  However, Peru #124 has been around since 1840 and has had at least 4 schools (Northview, Parkside, Washington, and defunct Roosevelt); it can probably pass WP:GNG and WP:ORG based on multiple in-depth news articles, what with all the coverage that school establishments and their referendums generate, though that isn't in the article yet. --Closeapple (talk) 04:05, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename to Peru Public Schools, which seems to be the name by which this school district is primarily known. This is a public school district (i.e., a local government body, probably elected by the citizens) that has existed for 170 years, collects taxes from local citizens, and operates several different schools in its community. Those things make for notability. --Orlady (talk) 20:13, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Renaming might cause unnecessary ambiguity with Education in Peru; Peru Community Schools (a unit district in Indiana); or Peru Central School District (a unit district in Peru, New York in Champlain Valley Educational Services, North Country/Mohawk Region, New York). --Closeapple (talk) 00:00, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, ambiguity is possible, but all of the school districts have distinct names. That ambiguity could be easily resolved by creating a disambiguation page with a generic title like "Peru schools (disambiguation)" and hatnotes pointing to it from all of the other articles. I perceive that the title was one reason this article was proposed for deletion -- the number in the title "Peru Elementary School District 124" may make the district sound fairly inconsequential to readers who don't know that Illinois public school districts are all officially designated by a number. I guess I will go create that disambiguation page right now... --Orlady (talk) 00:08, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Don't think I'm encouraging deletion of other school-district articles (and note that my comments above are about the notability of school districts, in general). An established common outcome for articles about nonnotable public elementary schools is to merge and redirect the article to the school district article -- that would become awfully hard to do if there were a mass-deletion of school district articles! --Orlady (talk) 00:01, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * As the creator of this article, I might be biased, but I think to even suggest that this article be deleted is beyond ridiculous. This school district is one of the oldest in Illinois -- beyond that, it's new building (Parkside) has been used as a model for several new school buildings currently under construction in Illinois. If a school district that's served tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of citizens is not relevant for inclusion into Wikipedia, I'm not sure what is. Chicago2011 (talk) 01:36, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * If you could include that part about Parkside being used as a model school, with some sources, that may be what pushes it over the top for WP:ORG or WP:GNG and saves it, especially if there are some kind of journal coverage outside of Peru about why the buildings are being used as models. Serving tens of thousands of people is not in itself notable; any local Wal-Mart Supercenter has probably done the same, and even gotten coverage in the local papers, and it doesn't get its own article.  As I mentioned above, though, a school district around since 1840, with all those students, probably has enough evidence of WP:GNG or WP:ORG to stay, if someone is willing to show it. --Closeapple (talk) 22:54, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment It appears to me that this article attracted the nominator's attention because of the article creator's involvement with the article Vector Marketing. This is an unfortunate accusation of guilt by association. There is no reason to think that this school district has any relationship with multilevel marketing, and there is nothing about this article that should have caused it to be singled out for deletion from amongst the 200+ articles in Category:School districts in Illinois or the couple of thousand articles in Category:School districts in the United States. Indeed, in terms of content quality and sourcing, the article (which now cites at least three different third-party sources) is among the better school district articles I've seen in my sampling of those categories.
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.