Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter A. Eckstein


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The result was delete. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 23:47, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Peter A. Eckstein

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Fails WP:GNG. Greek Legend (talk) 09:22, 30 March 2016 (UTC) blocked sockpuppet Atlantic306 (talk) 18:09, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
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 *  Keep Neutral for now. Appears to pass WP:Prof. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:41, 30 March 2016 (UTC).
 * Keep . President of IEEE is a clear pass of WP:PROF.   S ławomir  Biały  18:53, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note that he is president of IEEE-USA, not the whole of IEEE. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:40, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 * This was noted. Does president of a National body suffice? I am inclined to think that it does. Xxanthippe (talk) 01:17, 2 April 2016 (UTC).
 * I see. So the case for C6 is a bit weaker, but I think it probably still applies.   S ławomir  Biały  14:11, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 * But note that in many cases a national organization (in all cases with which I am familiar, the U.S. professional academic organization) holds the most important conferences in a field, the one that non-US scholars need to attend for professional reasons; the U.S. (or in some fields the British, French, German or other) national organization originates professional policies in documents (standards of professional behavior and practice) that the international and smaller national organizations copy; and the National organization may publish the leading journals in a field.E.M.Gregory (talk) 09:50, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think that's true in this case. The subject-specific units of IEEE (such as the Computer Society) are the ones associated with their scholarly activities. Judging from http://ieeeusa.org/about/activities.asp the IEEE-USA appears to be more connected to policy and (non-academic) professional development. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:06, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comment below. Your analysis, and David's correction, makes me think neutral.  I don't really feel qualified to judge whether a president of a national level professional organization is automatically notable under some criterion like C6.  But I am increasingly convinced that C6 itself does not actually apply here.   S ławomir  Biały  14:31, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

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 * Delete The references are limp. Suffolk County community college news? And the IEEE's own publications? No. He should be notable on his own, not simply because he's heading the US branch of an international organization. Very little coverage of him otherwise. He should just be mentioned in the article about the IEEE. VanEman (talk) 22:49, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Question C6 applies specifically to scholars and scholarly organizations.  Eckstein is President of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, a professional organization.  So, this seems more similar to, say, the List of presidents of the American Medical Association, most of whom do not have pages, and most of whom are practitioners with teaching appointments but not research/scholarly careers, or to Presidents of the American Institute of Architects.  Do presidents of national professional organizations get automatic notability?E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:58, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, is Eckstein a scholar? I ask because there is no information onhis publication record or research interests.  Practitioners obviously teach in engineering, architecture, medicine and other fields.  But they need a different set of criteria by which to evaluate notability than researchers.E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:58, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 00:42, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - I have a good deal of personal familiarity with Northrop Grumman ILSD and based on this guy's resume as to what he does at work and where he is teaching, he is highly unlikely to be a researcher/scholar. It appears that the work is doing is very much applied and since it's in a logistics service (logistics at a defense company involves systems integration, spares planning, cost management, getting widgets from point A to point B, etc.) may even be peripheral to design and development. If someone has a source showing otherwise (like a list of his publications) I'd be open to it of course, but I'm not seeing anything. Edited to add, I further note he does not even appear to have a PhD as you would expect from a scholar and that his bachelor's degree is in Electrical Engineering TECHNOLOGY, not in Electrical Engineering...the BSEET is generally not considered on the same level as a standard BSEE or other BS Engineering degree, it is more of a technician's degree. I did Google because I knew a scholarly physics professor with that last name but he is a different person from the subject of the article. I do not think this person meets notability standards just by being head of the US branch of a professional organization. TheBlinkster (talk) 17:19, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as nothing comfortably suggesting his own solidly notable article, still questionable overall. SwisterTwister   talk  04:50, 22 April 2016 (UTC)


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