Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Corvera


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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 21:24, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Peter Corvera

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Undersecretary of a governkment department is not notability. The reffs seem primarily notices, most of them from organizations affiliated with him.  DGG ( talk ) 21:05, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  20:59, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - actually, being undersecretary of a Philippine government department IS notability as defined by WP:NPOL. I think you're laboring under a misunderstanding.  In the Philippines, unlike other countries, an "undersecretary" is a junior government minister, an "international, national or sub-national (statewide/provincewide) office" per WP:NPOL. Also, while the article's sources are deficient, a few minutes WP:GOOGLETESTing threw up many Philippine news articles that at least mention the man as the main protagonist.Fiachra10003 (talk) 05:37, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * if the undersecretary reports to the secretary,, it's the secretary is a government minister.  DGG ( talk ) 06:23, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Fair argument and I'm not familiar with the nuances of the Philippine executive but, to use your reasoning, in the UK political system the Chief Secretary to the Treasury is the "undersecretary" to the Chancellor of the Exchequer but each are significant public officials in their own right. John Major for instance, went from Chief Secretary to the Treasury to Prime Minister in under 18 months.  The same applies in other departments of government.  Broadly speaking, in the European system, there are two tiers of ministers, ones with cabinet seats and ones without.  Those not in the cabinet are traditionally called "parliamentary secretaries", "parliamentary undersecretaries", "ministers of state" or some similar term. Fiachra10003 (talk) 14:57, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Not sure basically as I'm not at all familiar with the Philippines system so I'll wait until I comment (if I even actually comment) and hopefully other familiar users will come and examine. I will say though that I agree, from a United States POV, undersecretary seems non-notable for an independently notable article yet. SwisterTwister   talk  06:34, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, clpo13(talk) 20:04, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, appears to be a government official rather than a politician, the sources cited are not impressive in the light of WP:GNG.  Sandstein   19:27, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, he is indeed a government official. His boss is appointed by the president and not elected. As such, he barely has any coverage, and even the few results are press releases and the like. AddMore der Zweite (talk) 21:15, 8 December 2015 (UTC)


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