Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Fox (Welsh politician)


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The result was delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 23:26, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Peter Fox (Welsh politician)

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Fails WP:NPOL. PROD was contested on the grounds that he's a council leader and has an OBE, but neither of those grant notability. Coverage is WP:ROUTINE and just in local newspapers -- fails WP:GNG. Bondegezou (talk) 10:34, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Bondegezou (talk) 10:34, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Wales-related deletion discussions. Bondegezou (talk) 10:34, 2 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. Individual is a non-notable local politician. Lefcentreright  Talk  (plz ping) 15:04, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, on the basis he's not a run-of-the-mill local politician, having been the leader of a major local government authority for over 10 years and has been awarded an OBE for his services to local government. He would certainly meet point 2 of N:POL, even having a TV documentary crew following him around. Sionk (talk) 22:21, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * An OBE is a higher honour than I have ever received, but consensus has been pretty clear that this is a lower level than that required to pass WP:ANYBIO. A CBE is debatable but usually enough to pass, and a K/DBE is certainly enough, but not lower-level honours such as OBE and MBE. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:41, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. County council is not an automatic free pass to notability in the absence of evidence that he's special in some way — passing the "major local political figures" test requires a lot more than just a small handful of hits of purely routine local coverage. The article does not actually note or source that he's had "a TV documentary crew following him around"; that could maybe change the equation if the documentary were significant in some way, but isn't a guaranteed free pass just because you assert it, because even documentaries are sometimes unimportant and non-notable under our notability criteria for films. (Plus, until you name and source the existence of the documentary, we have no way of verifying whether it was about him, or just asked him a couple of questions as a speaker in a film about something else.) And as for the OBE, well, we don't have any consensus that low-level honours constitute an exemption from having to pass regular notability and sourcing standards either. Bearcat (talk) 03:16, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. We do have consensus that OBEs don't make people notable. ミラP 05:23, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. County council not a notable position. And Bearcat has articulated the deletion rationale well. Wm335td (talk) 21:41, 10 December 2019 (UTC)


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