Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Frei


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The sources found by Malo95 have remained uncontested.  Sandstein  16:11, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Peter Frei

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BLP (presumably) sub-stub of a non-notable skiier, no evidence that he meets the GNG. Prod last year was removed with the explanation that the subject met WP:NOLY, which is no longer the case since the criterion was tightened. No source other than a defunct database website, and no sources found except for namedrops and casual mentions that fall well short of the significant coverage of the subject that the GNG requires. Meets no other NSPORTS criteria.   Ravenswing     14:49, 10 January 2022 (UTC) Relisting comment: Relisting to allow discussion of the sources provided. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanamonde (Talk) 04:41, 18 January 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  12:10, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.   Ravenswing      14:49, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Switzerland-related deletion discussions.   Ravenswing      14:49, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep He was third at the Lauberhorn races 1969 this is like, to be in a Grand Slam final. I searched Peter Frei in the Swiss newspaper archives a got 675 results . An Article with more details . 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 16:25, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: Yes, that'd be the casual mention part; the one source you cite has " After the victory of Dumeng Giovanoli, it was Davosian Peter Frei who won in the special slalom (which unfortunately did not count for the World Cup, so the participation was relatively small) . Peter Frei owes his victory to a particularly brilliant second round where he set the best time clearly, which allowed him to move up from seventh to first place," a routine match report that fails to meet SIGCOV. As far as participating in a "Grand Slam final" goes, there is no notability criteria covering skiers, save for the GNG and medaling at the Olympics, and barring sigcov coming out of that, a "Grand Slam final" in skiing carries no more weight than a high school-level competition.   Ravenswing      19:42, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:19, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete We have ruled that only medaling at the olympics is enough to be default notable. The routine match coverage about his placement at the other event is not enough to add towards GNG, and even if it was, one report is not enough to pass GNG. Name dropping in a match report is not significant coverage of the person named.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:59, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. FIS gives 12 top-ten placements in the World Cup, with a third place as best among those. In Wengen, nonetheless - now that's a classic within winter sport. All of this does not render a presumption of sigcov, it is a guarantee of sigcov.  Singling out standalone news reports doesn't change that, when the events in question happened over 50 years ago. Geschichte (talk) 22:44, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The burden of proof is with the editor who seeks to keep material. If you claim that sigcov exists, provide it.   Ravenswing      00:58, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The article specifically does not fail WP:V. Geschichte (talk) 21:45, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * By the way I also have an all-caps link applicable to this discussion, which is WP:DEADLINE. Geschichte (talk) 21:45, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: I found more sources which back up his notability. Small portrait, text of a win, big portrait and Small portrait in die Schweizer Illustrierten of 17 November 1969. You see all Swiss skier who participated a the olympics or world championship are notable. And Ravenswing believe me all medal winners at the skiing classic (Wengen, Wengen, Kitzbühl, Gröden and Val-d'Isère) are notable. Only because there is no notability criteria for skier, makes them not innotable. 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 09:36, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Sources provided are more than enough to get over GNG. Smartyllama (talk) 19:09, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Question: i hve the impression that there is not all that much of a consensus in the community for either a broad or a limited inclusion of sportspeople. Sometimes a guideline changes, but the actual use of the guideline gets challenged to such a great extent that it's clear the original consensus was not all that clear after all. I'm not expressing an opinion because I am not clear in my own mind what our practice ought tobe in this matter.   DGG ( talk ) 02:27, 2 February 2022 (UTC)


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