Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Gordon (radio presenter)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Eagle Radio.  MBisanz  talk 10:57, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Peter Gordon (radio presenter)

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This bio of a popular local radio announcer in Guildford has been a subject of contentious editing, with repeated placements of speedy deletion and proposed deletion tags. The sources are all local, and make a reasonable case that he is a legitimate local celebrity in Surrey but that there's insufficient coverage from outside his immediate local area to establish his notability for Wikipedia purposes. Given the continuing contentious edits it would be beneficial to decide this in the more orderly procedure of AfD. Arxiloxos (talk) 14:14, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * There's no doubt he is a celebrity in the local area. But, what about outside of this area? It's likely nobody has a clue who he is. Therefore, I agree with the deletion of this article. If, like some radio announcers, he was a big name who had moved to a local radio station after being a TV or national radio personality, then fine. Every local radio station has a personality who is well known to the broadcast patch but they shouldn't have an article if their not known outside of that area. 132.185.160.122 (talk) 20:30, 2 May 2016 (UTC)


 * There was a time when presenting a breakfast show on an ILR automatically made you a very major local celebrity which would be quite enough to guarantee notability but, just like local newspapers, ILRs ain't what they used to be. I don't agree that having celebrity in a local area completely rules out the possibility of notability but it doesn't help. I do feel that the article fails to establish significant notability but it gets close so I'm not able to commit to a solid delete vote. He has done a little national TV and he has been in ILR for a very long time. I'll stay neutral for now and might revise this in the light of other arguments presented later. --DanielRigal (talk) 19:02, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

I disagree for the following reasons:
 * On the 'subject of contentious editing' point, the article has been there for 8 years without any such issues until the last couple of weeks when there appears to have been an effort to delete the articles for Eagle Radio and anything associated with it.
 * On the 'insufficient coverage from outside his immediate local area' point, I agree that most of the sources are 'local' but neither WP:NOTABILITY nor WP:Reliable makes any distinction between local, national and international sources. Clearly the line has to be drawn somewhere or else everybody would be a celebrity in the context of their own street - but the combined population of Surrey and Hampshire is about 2.4 million which is larger than the population of Northern Ireland (1.8 million) and not far short of the population of Wales (3 million), not to mention being larger than several European countries.  So the 'local' designation, while I don't disagree with the adjective, creates a misleading impression of the size and nature of the area where he is a household name.
 * It was established that Eagle Radio is notable and it surely follows that the extent and nature of its engagement with the community in its broadcast area is a topic that can be documented. That documentation would be incomplete without an explanation of Peter Gordon's high personal profile in the community, which extends beyond his role as a radio presenter as explained in the article.
 * It is easy to find other articles for radio presenters which contain no mention at all of being known outside of a particular city or state - at very least this article does show that the subject has appeared on national television and has been mentioned in a national newspaper. (I'm sure somebody will suggest that those other articles should be deleted too - but I'm just saying...) Eggybacon (talk) 20:15, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

As I posted on the wiki article, this war is becoming ridiculous. The discussion on the articles for deletion isn't solving anything. As far as I'm concerned, the presenter is NOT a celebrity, apart from in the local area. You say the page has been up for 8 years, Wiki are cutting back on non-notable people who have articles. It would appear Eggybacon is getting very worked up about this argument and it would appear to anyone he is either Peter Gordon himself or a fan who thinks he is worthy of an article. He is NOT notable enough to warrant an article. The links about panto don't really prove his is notable or worthy of an article because hundreds of thousands of people have been in panto, but not all of them deserve a wiki page. Therefore, I would agree that this is a cause for deletion. 132.185.161.122 (talk) 11:18, 4 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't think anybody is disputing that his celebrity status is confined to a particular area (albeit one with the population of a small country) - the question is more about whether that matters? As for the rest of what you wrote, I'm not going to be baited into exchanging ad hominems. Eggybacon (talk) 13:33, 4 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't understand why you're getting so uptight when it's suggested this article has no relevance. If he was on TV or a national radio station, understandable. Take a look at Wiki guidelines on what counts as notable. I might appear in panto myself and make an article about myself! 132.185.160.130 (talk) 17:51, 4 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I disagree with you - that does not mean I am "getting uptight", "getting very worked up", or any of the other things you keep saying about me. Could we please keep this civil?  As already noted above, there is nothing in WP:NOTABILITY about subjects or the sources that mention them needing to be of "national" importance so which 'Wiki guideline' do you mean? Eggybacon (talk) 18:57, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

This is hilarious. I do agree though. It should be removed 78.40.158.54 (talk) 19:21, 4 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge this article with Eagle Radio? Then put a ref to PG on the stations article perhaps? RadioAnorakUK (talk) 19:39, 4 May 2016 (UTC)


 * If merging with Eagle Radio would make people happy, sure. I have no particular attachment to the information being on its own page. Eggybacon (talk) 19:54, 4 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Do we have an agreement all? It will certainly stop the edit wars. Not only that, but Eagle Radio doesn't have many refs at the moment and there's a question over the amount of sources so merging PG with Eagle Radio might be a good move. I won't lie, I haven't a clue how to do that as I'm still getting to grips with Wiki. Can anybody advise? RadioAnorakUK (talk) 19:58, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * There's no rush to close this discussion. AfD discussions generally run for at least a week, and the fresh-eyed input of previously uninvolved editors can be highly useful.   This discussion has not yet even been posted on any subject-based lists: I will post it on a few.  So, while a merge may well be in order here (since Gordon seems to be the best known personality at the station), I think we should wait until the discussion is actually closed to effect the result.  --Arxiloxos (talk) 20:31, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. Arxiloxos (talk) 20:31, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Arxiloxos (talk) 20:31, 4 May 2016 (UTC)


 * My take on it is that if he was more notable nationally he would deserve an article. The point remains he is only a celebrity in the local area and if you don't listen to the local radio station, you wouldn't have a clue who he was. Otherwise, I agree merging this with Eagle Radio will be a good idea. 132.185.160.126 (talk) 10:47, 5 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete at best, my searches have found nothing better and the article is still questionable overall. SwisterTwister   talk  06:12, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America1000 09:10, 9 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge to Eagle Radio, which will improve that article (WP:PRESERVE). Source searches are not qualifying a standalone article at this time; subject does not meet WP:BASIC. North America1000 09:11, 9 May 2016 (UTC)


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