Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Hissey


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Stifle (talk) 09:51, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Peter Hissey

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 * Delete. Here is my first test for the new notability guidelines at WP:MLB.  This is a 4th-round draft pick who is just a few months out of high school.  More importantly, during the notability discussions, we agreed that articles for ordinary minor league players articles would need independent reliable sources to clarify notability.  MLB.com is not independent and the other source appears to be a simple blog site and is not reliable.  In contrast to other sports, baseball has a huge number of professional players (see WP:ATHLETE) who never achieve any sort of real-world notability or recognition.  Therefore it was agreed to establish separate guidelines for baseball. —Wknight94 (talk) 12:05, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions.   —Wknight94 (talk) 12:05, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Agree with nomination, there is nothing about the player to establish notability under the current or former guidelines. Hardnfast (talk) 14:24, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. I kind of hate to do this, because I fully support the attempts to create bright-line rules for notability of athletes. The problem is, while this particular player fails the sub-guidelines, he meets the general guideline at WP:N. For sources we have two articles about him individually here (local daily newspaper for Charlottesville, VA - it appears that the player was going to attend school there) and here Scout.com article - (I believe that this is considered a reliable source for sports articles as they are independent of the professional leagues, and have their own reporting staff). There is also a brief mention about his signing here, (Boston Herald) although there is second paragraph relevant to the story that is now archived, and can't be seen from the free site. I'll post a brief exerpt to the Afd talk page. So, in sum, while I won't lose sleep if this article were deleted, there is sourcable information to establish notability. Xymmax  So let it be written   So let it be done  15:00, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, I love it. The point of the guideline changes was to stop people from almost programmatically creating legions of WP:INDISCRIMINATE redundant articles pulled directly out of baseball-reference and baseball cube.com.  That's what's happening at WP:BASEBALL - people going for quantity over quality.  —Wknight94 (talk) 17:46, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Before I decided on my !vote, I did try to make sure I had truly reliable sources. I know what you mean about the mass production of cookie-cutter articles. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  18:04, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. The presentation of a local paper article, a Scout.com profile, and one breif mention in the Boston Herald doesn't make him notable. Nearly every drafted ballplayer ever meets those guidelines, which I believe the point of the new baseball guidelines was to correct that.  Black  ngold29   18:29, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per the above. We have to draw the line somewhere to indicate "significant coverage" (per WP:N), and three articles, especially minor mentions in only works closely related to the person's organizations (college, MLB team, and baseball in general), is not significant enough for inclusion. KV5  •  Squawk box  •  Fight on!  00:49, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't have much idea about deletion. Baseball has a huge number of professional players who never achieve any sort of real-world notability or recognition, but baseball is not a truely international sports like soccer or tennis. A guy living in China or Libya may know nothing about even the best baseball players, but on the other hand, people like me who are obsessed with baseball know small details about the sport. Hissey was drafted by the Red Sox in the 4th Round, and personally I feel he deserves a Wikipedia article. I won't lose sleep if the bio is deleted, but my vote is Keep. AdjustShift (talk) 08:34, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I get nine hits from a Lexis search; most of which are just wire service reports about his drafting. I agree that being taken in the 4th round is potentially significant, but there is very little to build on here. I've written plenty of articles on minor leagues, and my own view is that they aren't presumptively notable until they've spent a year or two in AAA--you've got to find something interesting. Selection to All-Star teams, participation in a noteworthy event that got press coverage, or some bizarre human-interest angle. I know there's talk about building articles about minor league organizations, which would include capsule biographies of players, so perhaps this content could be kicked into someone's userspace pending such a development? Otherwise, delete. Mackensen (talk) 14:16, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Really it seems to me that this article would fail even the general WP:N guideline of significant coverage in reliable independent sources, so if the new WP:MLB guideline is to have any force at all it is imperative that we rid the project of players as far on the margins as this one. Indrian (talk) 20:50, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete though I'm open to the suggestion that all guidelines be waived for anything having to do with the Boston Red Sox, perhaps as a sixth pillar. HG | Talk 06:37, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


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