Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Jacob (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus is that WP:POLITICIAN is not met J04n(talk page) 14:58, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Peter Jacob
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Unsuccessful candidate for political office that isn't notable otherwise. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:24, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:26, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:26, 23 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete. People do not get Wikipedia articles just for being candidates in elections they haven't won yet — if you cannot demonstrate and properly source that he was already notable enough for an article for some other reason before becoming a candidate, then he has to win the election, not just run in it, to become notable as a politician. And no, the volume of media coverage shown here is still not enough to make his candidacy a special case over and above everybody else's candidacy (a standard that isn't attained until you're approaching Christine O'Donnell levels of coverage and notoriety), because every candidate in every election everywhere could always show at least this much media coverage of the campaign. Bearcat (talk) 15:45, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete: Fails WP:NPOL per Bearcat's sound explanation above. Marquardtika (talk) 17:18, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:NPOL and not otherwise notable. SportingFlyer  talk  01:38, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per the rationale provided by Tomwsulcer in the first deletion discussion. To quote his argument word for word: "yes failed politician bio but passes the general notability guideline. As a reminder, the politician rule says Just being ... an unelected candidate ... does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the primary notability criterion of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article" and Jacob easily passes with in-depth coverage here and here and here and here and here and here and elsewhere. The nominator's argument that All of the coverage surrounding him is about his campaigns and he doesn't therefore meet WP:GNG is bogus -- it would be like saying that all of the coverage about Henry Ford was about his automobile business, therefore it doesn't count and he doesn't meet the GNG. Politicians get covered about politics; business people about business. Both Ford and Jacob are notable" I must add that I feel only two months between the closing of the first nomination as no consensus and the initiation of another deletion discussion seems rather quick. I am reminded of the January 2017 discussion to delete the article covering Evan McMullin with the rationale being that he was a failed candidate, but it closed rather quickly as a SNOW keep because the number of sources covering the campaign demonstrated notability. Vermin Supreme lost every election he ran for by a wide margin, being a clearly failed candidate (and a frivolous literal joke one at that) but the attention he received made him notable. Peter Jacob has received significant coverage in his current race and has received the endorsements of significant political action committees, proving notability. A notable stub article is still an article (though it's also worth noting that the article is well above stub rating). Brendon the Wizard  ✉️ ✨ 23:36, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The issue is that every candidate in every election always gets some media coverage in that context. But candidates are not inherently notable just for being candidates — so a candidate's basis for includability is not "the purely expected media coverage of the campaign itself exists", but either (a) "enough media coverage exists to deem this person's candidacy a permanent ten year test-passing special case over and above most other people's candidacies", or (b) "the sourcing demonstrates that he already had preexisting notability for other reasons besides being a candidate per se". And no, endorsements don't assist a candidate's notability either, because again, virtually every candidate in every election can always tout endorsements by somebody. Bearcat (talk) 16:59, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Meets GNG. References in the article and support the article: The Times of India, Politicker Network, NJ Spotlight, Daily Record (Morristown), Our Revolution, CBS News, Washington University in Saint Louis, The New York Times, NJ.com/The Star-Ledger, Insider NJ, India West NDTV Justice Democrats, The Economic Times, The Hindu is beyond normal coverage. Candidate is victim of racially motivated attack and is running is second campaign.Djflem (talk) 19:27, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete- fails WP:POLITICIAN. In the previous AfD, I provided an analysis of the sources which remain the same. For example it is very disingenuous to cite the New York Times as a source that establishes notability when in reality all they have are a list of election results. That probably the most extreme example, but the other sources are not indepth coverage either.--Rusf10 (talk) 01:40, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - Looking at WP:NPOL, this article does not provide much use. The first point at WP:NPOL does not state running candidates. Handoto 00:09, 2 May 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Handoto (talk • contribs)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   13:27, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep WP:GNG met. Hmlarson (talk) 04:32, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete PROMO for a candidate with no claim to notability except for the fact that he is a candidate.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:38, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note that we have recently deleted articles on 2 other candidates for the Democratic nomination in this district, Articles for deletion/Linda Weber (2nd nomination), and Articles for deletion/David Pringle (activist) (3rd nomination); the latter had considerably more claim to pre-candidacy notability than Jacob has. This is how WP:POL works.  Editors who DONOTLIKE it might try to change the rules, but as long as we have such rules, we follow them.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:47, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete He hasn't even won the primary yet? Fails NPOL and doesn't get enough significant coverage to meet GNG.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:37, 3 May 2018 (UTC)


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