Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Johnstone (darts player)


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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 14:05, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Peter Johnstone (darts player)

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Johnstone was a darts player who never achieved any great success. His highest finish was as a Quarter-Finalist in the British Darts Organization championships, and no information can be found about him anywhere but the comprehensive darts databases. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:30, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
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Keep - Passes WP:SPORTSCRIT by competing in a major international competition (the BDO World Professional Darts Championships) five times. Richard North's article was kept after only competing in one PDC World Championships. Dougal18 (talk) 11:22, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid argument for keeping an article. Papaursa (talk) 21:34, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment WP:SPORTSCRIT mentions an assumption of notability if the person has participated in a major international amateur or professional competition at the highest level (such as the Olympics). While the BDO World Professional Darts Championship may be the pinnacle of darts competition, I don't think it rises to the level of the Olympics. The use of a guidepost like the Olympics exists because there is an assumption that Olympic athletes will have been covered by some independent media. It's not clear that darts enjoys the same media attention, so even competitors who reach (but do not win) the international championships do not attract sufficient media attention to make them notable. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:01, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - It is also worth noting that by the time Johnstone was competing in it the BDO World Championship was one of two rival World Championships (the other being the PDC) and some would argue the BDO was the less significant of the two. Dunarc (talk) 22:48, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 01:37, 23 September 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 13:15, 1 October 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Leaning delete but relisting a third time to see if this consensus can be made clearer (or if there is actually no consensus at all).
 * Delete I don't think merely competing at a world darts championship is sufficient to show automatic notability. I noticed that the Darts database shows career earnings of less than 20,000 pounds which seems to indicate the minor sports nature of darts.  The important thing is that meeting WP:NSPORT would still only give a presumption of notability, not a guarantee.  My search found no evidence that he meets WP:GNG and the article doesn't have a single source supporting a claim of significant coverage.  Being an unused sub in a soccer game does not meet any notability criteria. Papaursa (talk) 21:34, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, fails WP:GNG way too much. Playing an international competition indeed leads to a presumption of notability, but this presumption is clearly rebutted once you search for coverage on the subject.  Walwal20  talk ▾ contribs 18:38, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:10, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete It's not clear to me that playing in a BDO demonstrates a clear NSPORTS pass, which itself would only indicate presumed notability; I just spent a bit of time looking for independent reliable coverage, and drew a blank - the subject doesn't seem to pass the requirements of GNG. Girth Summit  (blether)  11:49, 19 October 2020 (UTC)


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