Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Kenvyn Jones


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The result was delete. Michig (talk) 07:08, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Peter Kenvyn Jones

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This seems to be a vanity biography created by a single-purpose account with a likely undeclared conflict of interest. The subject has had a career in provincial theatre and the media but I can find no substantial coverage in reliable independent sources to provide notability. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:29, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It's very strange. The infobox stated that Peter Kenvyn Jones had a CBE and MC. I sent an email to him to check whether this was correct, and within minutes of listing this AfD and making the email query, these honorifics were removed, not by the article's creator but by another new editor who had previously moved the article out of the creator's draftspace. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:33, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I think I can also contribute to the debate, I was the one that move the page. I looked through the whole article before moving it with the taught that it will also be looked at by other editors.
 * To the issue of editing the article earlier today, I guess the duties of editors is to fix articles.Armyman (talk) 13:23, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Striking off commentary by confirmed sockpuppet. -The Gnome (talk) 11:47, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * You've been in Wikipedia "since October 2010," Cwmhiraeth. It should not be "strange." -The Gnome (talk) 20:10, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete I was actually a little surprised at how few reliable source mentions I could find for this individual, given that the article claims he is a CBE. I was able to find only glancing mentions in reliable sources, nothing that would indicate notability under either WP:ANYBIO or WP:NACTOR. PohranicniStraze (talk) 06:48, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment. The Clacton Gazette and The Oxford Student are both reliable sources, although not a national newspaper. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 09:05, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Comprehensively fails the criteria for WP:ANYBIO, WP:CREATIVE and WP:MUSICBIO. There are no reviews of his compositions. They are all "referenced" by his postings of them at SoundClick. The theatrical career (as actor and/or director) is referenced to theatricalia.com. and uktw.co.uk, both of which are databases with user-generated content or not referenced at all. There are no reviews of his performances or productions and they were all in small provincial theatres. The only review from an independent source was in the Oxford student paper for his theatrical adaptation of Pride and Prejudice performed by the Oxford Theatre Guild, an amateur company. The references from the Clacton Gazette have only passing mentions of him. As an added note, the shenanigans re the phony CBE and Military Cross and the moving of the article out of Draft space strongly suggest undeclared paid editing and quite possibly socking as well. Voceditenore (talk) 10:44, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Followup. The subject used "Peter Kenvyn" (without "Jones") as his professional name until the early 2000s. Under that name, I found one review in The Independent of his 2001 performance in the play The Incarcerator and a mention of his translation in a 1991 review in The Stage of a Pierre de Marivaux play: "Laurels should be heaped on Peter Kenvyn, a comedy writer of considerable TV and radio experience, for coming up with a sparkling translation which has all sorts of contemporary resonance". In my view that's still not enough to pass any of the criteria cited above. Worse, there are several assertions in this article which appear to be untrue, e.g. him having some sort of role in Luther. Or, very misleading. For example, the small part of Prince Albert was in a program produced by the BBC, but it was for the children's TV program Blue Peter, not a mainstream production. The various credits taken for Jacques Brel translations are also dubious. The critic in The Stage wrote "While script associate Peter Kenvyn also takes credit in a programme note for the translations, at least six of the songs, to my reckoning, are delivered in the English versions that were first heard in Mort Shuman and Eric Blau’s celebrated 1966 off-Broadway compilation, Jacques Brel Is Alive and Well and Living in Paris." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Voceditenore (talk • contribs) 13:21, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Above unsigned commentary by Voceditenore.


 * Delete per nomination, for failing WP:CREATIVE. May otherwise be notable, and handsomely too, but not for Wikipedia. -The Gnome (talk) 20:10, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per lack of significant coverage. Tillerh11 (talk) 02:11, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note Both the article's creator, User:Artsmusicfeel, and User:197something aka "Armyman", who moved it from draft to article space and removed the spurious claims to a CBE and Military Cross, have been confirmed by a checkuser as socks of the indefinitely blocked User:Daniel Kobe Ricks Jr, a prolific sockmaster and paid editing operation. The article possibly qualifies for speedy deletion under G5: pages created by banned or blocked users in violation of their ban or block, and that have no substantial edits by others. (talk) 14:12, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The history of the contested page records 8 June 2018 as the date on which the article was created. The sockmaster was banned on 8 August 2016. The contested article "Peter Kenvyn Jones " should be Speedily Deleted per WP:G5, as stated above by Voceditenore . This AfD has just been rendered redundant. -The Gnome (talk) 11:47, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * On the other hand, The Gnome, in cases like this it is often better to let the AfD run its course and show a consensus on the subject's non-notability. This can be helpful in the event of future recreation, and this may well happen. The paid editing operation behind this article and dozens of others is relentless. They have re-created deleted articles multiple times using different throw-away sock accounts each time, including the ploy used here where one sock creates the draft and another sock moves it into article space. Alternatively, the subject might choose a different paid editing "service". Voceditenore (talk) 12:16, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Nolo contendere. -The Gnome (talk) 12:27, 13 July 2018 (UTC)


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