Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Morris (Scrabble)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was DELETE. I know of no basis for interpreting WP:BLP1E to cover one-time award/championship winners. But in any event, notability has not been established, and the keep arguments are neither substantive nor supported. Jenks24 stated the issues well. postdlf (talk) 14:36, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Peter Morris (Scrabble)

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 * Not really notable for any event. He did win the World Scrabble Championship two decades ago, but I don't think that equates out to warrant a Wikipedia article.  There has been no news coverage of this person since, hence delete. PlusPlusDave (talk) 23:09, 15 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment There are large on-going issues to do with what counts as a notable person in the games field. The sports notability criteria include obscure sports which will not get much coverage with minimal requirements to count. For games these issues have not been drawn-up. However, I think the GNG get complicated as why should winning a Gold medal be viewed as different from winning an award in another field. This is where the one thing issue comes into play, does winning the first ever world championship in a game equate to just one thing? For me it represents much more than one thing and demonstrates notability in the field. Should winning the national championships be viewed as a second event. Chess, Magic the Gathering and poker all have technical categories that allow for less skillful players to count.Tetron76 (talk) 14:04, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - I have to agree with tetron76, there isnt a policy really saying Scrabble players are not notable. And for that reason i say keep.--BabbaQ (talk) 09:59, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - People reading about the history of the Scrabble world championships would likely also want to read about the people that won each of the events. HumphreyW (talk) 12:08, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions.  —Tetron76 (talk) 12:43, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 16:26, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:12, 22 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment. I haven't researched this enough to determine if Morris is notable or not. However, I do have a few comments. Firstly, notability is not temporary, so the fact that he won the world championship 20 years ago, as opposed to say two years ago, is not really relevant. Secondly, if there is no subject-specific guideline in place for scrabble players (and it appears there isn't), then we should use the general notability guideline to determine if the person is notable. That means we shouldn't be comparing him to other board game players, but simply asking ourselves "has this person received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject"? Jenks24 (talk) 19:43, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep The subject is not just notable as a Scrabble champion but is also notable as a baseball historian and author. Colonel Warden (talk) 18:19, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you explain how? I don't see any sort of non-trivial coverage of this person as either a baseball historian or author.  I hate to call your claims dubious, but... PlusPlusDave (talk) 23:04, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as a non-notable person with insignificant coverage. All references to this individual are from Scrabble sites and his own website. Except for Colonel Warden's claim of notability (which I don't see borne out in my searches), none of these keep votes are even based in policy. Looking for a policy that specifically declares Scrabble players to be non-notable? People interested in the world of Scrabble are interested in the world of Scrabble? What kind of rationales are these? This individual is only known (to an extremely limited amount of people) for winning Scrabble tournaments and he is already listed on both World Scrabble Championship and National Scrabble Championship. I also don't believe his writing and editing work for Wiley meet any of the criteria from WP:AUTHOR. — Bility (talk) 19:04, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, Falls under WP:BLP1E or just 1E if he is dead. Abductive  (reasoning) 13:56, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
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